Jeremy Rifkin announces the end of capitalism

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by Ahmed » 06/10/14, 09:13

Software change or simple diversion to maintain the illusion?
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by Christophe » 06/10/14, 12:33

It is true that the apostle Rifkin does not apply himself to his own doctrines: why publish a paper book to 26 € instead of distributing it for free on the internet with a zero marginal cost?

May be to save the publishing industry and contradict itself at the same time? Not very credible ...

Then claim that the multinational energy industries were killed in 7 or 8 years ... it is bonimsonge pure and simple, except error of translation ...

Note: Germany is already at 30% ENR after wiki http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lect ... _Allemagne

Similarly for TV, cinema ... are they dead because of the internet? I do not think so, just follow the evolution (of 10 last years) of the cost of Hollywood block buster productions to convince Hollywood has still very beautiful and long days in front of him, even if the TV scratches him of the market with productions of excellent quality, like the series HQ (Game of throne to name only him).

But the world of production is small, often it's the same owners / shareholders ...

The 3D print scans are quite smoky ... (which printer prints with recycled paper?)

Ok for the most sharing of consumer goods (of all kinds) ...

But the zero marginal cost combustion cell ??? Uh, I did not get too much ...

Ok for the most cooperative development! But it will take time ... a lot!
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by Christophe » 06/10/14, 13:03

Another video interview by Frédéric Lordon "Getting rid of capitalism":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM-K4fxv4V0
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by Christophe » 06/10/14, 13:17

To take "rifkin" action, here is a collaborative site that promotes cooperative ideas (among other things): http://www.onpassealacte.fr/index.php
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by sen-no-sen » 06/10/14, 14:36

Ahmed wrote:Software change or simple diversion to maintain the illusion?



Quant rifkin Talk about "end of capitalism"he actually only mentions the emergence of a new system replacing the old one.
But do not be fooled, because it is neither more nor less than the redesign of an old statue to make a new ... with the same metal.
Faced with the reality of a coming upheaval, it is essential for the "system" to send us a maximum "agents" whose goal is to disseminate around them a wide variety of ideologies - apparently dissident - in order to accomplish the "moulting" of the anthropotechnical super-organism, and allowing, in fact, to hypnotize a maximum of individuals ...

It would be very salvating to make understand that capitalism is only a kind of software implemented by a process much more totalizing.
This simplifying vision of "bad capitalism" is far too naive and far too politically oriented to allow citizens to see clearly in the real mechanisms in action.
If capitalism can be easily surpassed (like communism), it is quite different from "economic exponentialism" true pilot to the work of our world.
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by Ahmed » 06/10/14, 19:48

As the most remarkable "energy dissipation optimization" system of all time, capitalism is much more difficult to overcome than actual communism, (which was only an avatar of catching up); of course, its "economic exponentialism" today comes up against its own contradictions and demands a "set-up".

The question is whether it is simply an avoidance strategy that, through artifice, pushes an inevitable deadline a little later, or if, as far as possible, a another system of domination based on very different bases may succeed him.

In any case, the articulation between these two trends present at the same time remains delicate * from a conceptual point of view.

From another point of view, it would be eminently desirable for a clear vision of what is being prepared and another future to come ...

* I mean the passage from one to the other.
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by sen-no-sen » 06/10/14, 22:02

Ahmed wrote:As the most remarkable "energy dissipation optimization" system of all time, capitalism is much more difficult to overcome than actual communism, (which was only an avatar of catching up); of course, its "economic exponentialism" today comes up against its own contradictions and demands a "set-up".


As you correctly note current capitalism (ultraliberal) is certainly the best system anthropotechnical to dissipate energy .... but from a point of view "naturalist"(equivalent Anglo-Saxon term and more correct than our "materialism") can in fact safely assert that capitalism is the worst way to dissipate energy,in that it represents the most effective human process for destroying the conditions necessary to sustain life on earth.

out,life is the best way to dissipate energyit will be understood that the best algorithm (policy) to put in place by humanity will be substantially a model strictly opposed to the one in place!

Moreover all the models of substitutions of the techno-scientist branch, go in the direction of the eradication of the natural life, replaced by patented and robotic ersatz.
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by Christophe » 17/10/14, 23:34

Marcel Gauchet - "The Capitalist Leviathan": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=943icQd5Wj0
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