Buying French: made in France, a solution to the crisis?

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by Leo Maximus » 15/12/11, 15:29

Christophe wrote:Absolutely.

Which amounts to saying what I said above:% on added value ...

Since value added = wages = jobs.

Now it remains to be seen how many jobs it makes ... per unit of value added!

By simply importing from China you can make a lot of added value without necessarily many jobs ...

Shouldn't we rather refer to the payroll (including budget) created by a company at the local and national level rather than to an "added value", a vague notion which no longer means anything today? hui.

Windows 7 is not imported from China but it's the same thing, it's USA + India. Millions of copies are sold here, with a lot of added value but zero employment!
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by Christophe » 15/12/11, 15:39

Yes, that's why I said: "Now it remains to be seen how many jobs that makes ... per unit of value added!"

And krosoft resellers :) And all those who impose the purchase of windoze with a new pc! It does create local jobs, doesn't it?

Similar to forced sale ... It has been going on for 15 years, what has INC / UFC done? But that's another debate...
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by Christophe » 15/12/11, 16:18

Christophe wrote:Hey even economists, Nicolas Doze, is getting started http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_rDeuf_4Co made in France!


At 2:40 he speaks of the label "made in France" = 100% of the product is "made" in France AND 50% of the added value is French ...

I have a little trouble understanding the logic there ... : Idea: : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 05/01/12, 12:16

An article that tries to clear things up a bit:

http://www.slate.fr/story/48199/made-fr ... etiquettes

Made in France, the mess of labels

Do we really know what “Made in France” means?


François Bayrou wants to buy French as a "civic approach", François Hollande boasts of "industrial patriotism" and Marine Le Pen wants a "buy French" law.

Nicolas Sarkozy insisted on the notion of "producing French" instead of "buying French". “Everyone speaks“ buy French ”. Me, I prefer to speak "to produce French", declared the president of the Republic, during his visit, Wednesday December 13, at the Rossignol factory - recently relocated in France and stamped with the label "Guaranteed French origin".

This Made in France theme is all the easier to use as a slogan than to transform it into reality if it meets the will of consumers. Because buying French can quickly become an obstacle course (as Rue 89 and La Dépêche have seen): it's complicated, tedious, and it quickly becomes very expensive - while the majority of French people are not ready to pay than 10% more for a French product.

Main problem: while 9 out of 10 French people want a stricter label, there is no obligation to specify the origin of the products sold on French territory at the time of their importation and no more when they are put on the market national, except for certain food and agricultural products (fruits and vegetables grown in France for example).

From "manufactured" to "conditioned" in France

Even when the indications indicate the origin of the products, they remain rather confused: as the mentions become blurred (“Made in France”, then “Assembled in France” and until “Packaged in France”), the share of French production in the production of the product is waning.

Over the years, the "Made in France" gradually emptied of its substance. The “Made in France” observatory points out that on average, “made in France” is 69% assembled in France compared to 75% ten years ago.

1. "Made in France" (or Made in France)

"Made in France" refers, in principle, to products made mainly in France. According to customs, a product is only French if 45% of its added value has been produced in France. However, in the communication from the Directorate General of Customs and Indirect Rights, it is specified that the control of the origin marking is done on a case by case basis for each category of products.

To determine the country of origin of a product, customs and the General Direction of Competition for Consumption and the Suppression of Fraud (DGCCRF) are based on article 24 of the Community Customs Code which is concerned " at the last substantial transformation or working (…) having resulted in the manufacture of a new product or representing an important stage of manufacture ”. This article is insufficient because the criteria used are very technical and are not defined for all products.

For TV, cotton textiles or shoes, the criteria are set. But for everything else (perfume or chair), it is case by case.

For example, for a TV (listed as a “television receiver” in legal newspeak), the cost of the manufacturing carried out in France must correspond to at least 45% of its added value for the mention Made in France to be affixed. But the company's commercial speech will also be examined so as not to deceive the buyer.

In an explanatory document, customs provides an example: “pants made in Morocco with French fabric and for which the accessory finishes were made in France have Moroccan origin. A mention of the type "made in France" would be misleading, on the other hand, statements such as "woven fabric in France and pants made in Morocco" or "pants made in Morocco" or "pants made in Morocco from woven fabric in France Can be accepted. They are, in fact, more explicit on the details of the operations carried out in France and are not likely to mislead the consumer. ”

But for tea, even if the ingredients come from foreign countries, the company will be able to write "Made in France" on the sachets as soon as it is judged that French technicality and know-how are relatively important in the product design.

2. "Assembled in France"

This applies to products the major part of the components of which come from foreign countries and which have not been strictly produced on French territory.

For example, a tape recorder that has become a “finished product” on French territory but in which only 20% of the components are French cannot bear the label “Made in France”, but it can be qualified as “assembled in France” (to specify the '' operation which really takes place on national soil).

When Nicolas Sarkozy speaks of "producing French" ("I prefer that we buy a foreign brand car produced in France rather than a French brand car produced abroad and sold in France."), This may refer to these two preceding points: this idea supposes a territorial aspect which does not necessarily imply that the company is of French nationality, even if it would produce on French soil. Example of a Toyota car (Japanese brand) produced in Valenciennes.

3. "Packed in France"

Here, the share of French production is even more minimal than in the 2 previous cases. “Packaged in France” mainly concerns packaging, a process at the end of the production chain. For example the case of a product from another country but which has been transformed in France or even "cooked", for food products.

4. "Buy French"

As the Head of State spoke of it, "buying French" refers to a company whose head office is in France but which does not necessarily manufacture all of its products in French factories. Example of Renault, which manufactures some of its cars in Romania or which uses only "35 to 40% of French equipment". A French brand does not automatically mean French production.

Article 39 of the Customs Code allows customs services to verify the accuracy of the indications of origin when importing products, while the consumer code allows the DGCCRF to make these checks when the products are already sold on the French market.

If the indication suggests that the product is of French origin when it is not, French Customs may require the marking of foreign origin as a remedy. For example, one can use this kind of words: "imported from Switzerland", "originating in Thailand", "Tunisian product". While specifying "French design" or "French design", because this indication does not refer to a notion of manufacturing (examples of fixes here).

If the manufacturer wishes to enhance his product by specifying that it is "Made in France", he must be able to justify it in order to avoid misleading the consumer. This statement is affixed under the sole responsibility of the manufacturer or importer. And false marking is an offense.

The multiplicity of these concepts and the often tenuous reality does not help the consumer to define precisely what a French product is. To help them find their way around, many sites (Madine France, La fabrique hexagonal, Hexaconso) have emerged to identify French-made products, but consumers still seem lost.

A percentage of French components?

Suddenly, the solution to see more clearly could come from a label that would specifically mention the percentage of French components, as proposed by Christian Estrosi, UMP deputy mayor of Nice:

“I advocate precise labeling. Few goods produced on our soil contain 100% French components. For example, most Renault vehicles assembled in France are made up only of 35% to 40% of components from French equipment manufacturers ”.

It remains to be seen whether national legislation making the percentage of French components mandatory would not be contrary to the principles of free movement of goods in the European Union? According to Fabien Foucault, a lawyer specializing in customs law, such legislation would create discrimination and would therefore potentially be contrary to these principles.

Indeed, this type of mention would probably result in favoring products made in France, to the detriment of products made elsewhere in the EU with the same characteristics.

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by FPLM » 05/01/12, 15:57

(I haven't read the thread, mea culpa. So, if I repeat what has already been said, hear that I confirm)
The answer is easy: Yes.
The cost of transport, even if certain goods from the end of the planet are sold cheaper than those produced locally (these costs are simply carried elsewhere: social cost, relocation and slavery, environmental cost, etc.), remains a cost invariably linked to the distance of the transport. The very low price of oil as an important source of energy led to believe that the cost of transport had decreased so much that it had become a trivial fact to transport from the other side of the globe what is in front of us but that we export to the other end of the globe. : Shock: Why ? Because some people think that the larger the mass of cash that moves, the larger the margins. It is true but it is true as much for the seller as for the buyer, as much for the import as the export, as much for the profits as the losses! So what is the use if, at counting, the difference remains the same? Spend, play with big bundles? It's absurd.
So obviously, whatever the accounting manipulations say, the shortest, the least expensive.
In these times of speculative barbarism, favoring internal trade has an enormous advantage: it feeds the economy to which this trade belongs. It therefore benefits from a single currency (no speculation on prices and strategic manipulation of currencies) and is the main player, therefore the regulator of the economy it feeds (no juicy and exterminating speculation on the stock exchange international).
Nor should we forget the cost of public bodies regulating, regulating, commissioning, etc. supposed to report the most objective information to managers on imported products. When you buy your neighbor a product of his own production, whether it is butter or a solar panel, you just have to go to his place to have the most objective information (from your point of view : Cheesy: ) on quality or any other criteria. You no longer need the advice oriented (necessarily since from his point of view : Mrgreen: ) a third.
Same for repair / maintenance costs.
The same goes for complaints and against scams. The EU lays down more silly regulations than the others, all the more silly since China being outside the EU has nothing to shake and can sell us any shit without anyone to prevent it. Legally there is no photo, so try to attack a Chinese manufacturer because there is cesium137 in your prepared dish of lacquered duck!
In short, there is so much reason to think that it is progress to admit one's mistakes that one could simply say that it is a matter of common sense.
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by Janic » 05/01/12, 17:17

FPLM hello
except that France has almost no or more raw materials that it has to import at great expense after having "stolen" it at low cost from non-developing countries.
It is the law of the market: after having been the "fuckers" we become the "kissers".
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by Christophe » 13/03/12, 20:24

The "made in France" seen by sarko ??? : Shock: : Shock:

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/election ... iales.html

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by chatelot16 » 13/03/12, 20:49

buying french is good but it is still necessary that the made in france exists!

if the French production is not sufficient, when I buy French, another will have to buy abroad, since a factory will not come out of the ground to produce more

what does it take for us to start manufacturing in France again? at least that it becomes profitable again ... so stop the absurd social charges that are financed on the back of the rare company that still exists, instead of being taken from the general state budget

but that is not enough any more: to manufacture in France it is necessary to find the know how which one lost, by completely stopping certain activity

we must recreate an industrial and commercial fabric that has disappeared ... disappearance of supplier and subcontractor ... we have become a developed country
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by Leo Maximus » 13/03/12, 21:38

The "Buy French" should start with the pickles.

You should know that the pickles of Amora and Maille (from the same Unilever group) but also those of Christ and those of supermarket brands have been produced in India for a few years. Look at the label on the Amora and Maille jars and you will see that it is absolutely not indicated anywhere that it is produced in India, well ... it's obvious the pickle is Indian, in France we know not to do and in any case it would not grow.

French production is now reduced to zero.

http://vieuxcestmieux.com/2007/09/10/co ... -in-india/

http://www.kewego.fr/video/iLyROoafMnyB.html

We should start by re-producing and re-consuming (organic!) Pickles produced in France. It's perfectly doable right away.
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by Christophe » 13/03/12, 21:47

The pickle may not be growing in France, because there are already too many (the two legged variety) !! : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: She was easy I know ...

Another example :

Honey is also imported (from China) more and more ... Most of the jars indicate: "mixture of honey produced in the EU or outside the EU" ... the proportion is not indicated ...

Importing what you can't do or no longer do at a reasonable price could be understood ... importing doable food at a "reasonable" price here is criminal! It's just the search for profit maximization ...

The imported honeys are at the same price as the others !!!

At Oxfam for fair trade honey from Latin America (thin it is imported but we excuse it!), we are at 8 € per kg! Many honeys, I think, are more expensive ...
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