Who makes the money? The money-debt. Video

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by Christophe » 04/10/08, 11:03

Waw a "smart" rap clip that doesn't spit on the police or sarkozy!

Rare and good but a bit paranoid right?
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by Remundo » 04/10/08, 11:29

Ziva, how he tears this mother pecli seriously : Cheesy:

Too much rekindled the Illuminati chanmes: the zermi is because of them ... fô nique their race! : Lol:

More seriously, on the artistic level, it is necessary to recognize that an effort of writing is present and the video editing is well done.

However, in terms of ideas, it's very hollow and simplistic ... The theory of secret societies and the new world order with a "banlieue sauce", ultra-Manichean (and paranoid ...), always with the same "anti-system" background that always works when addressing revenge audiences poorly integrated into society.
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by phil53 » 04/10/08, 11:50

For my part it is only a wink, I do not adhere to the principle of secret societies which govern everything.
It's still the cash that governs everything, some have an ogre's appetite and know how to get along with plucking the pigeon by making others wear the hat.
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by Remundo » 04/10/08, 12:03

+1 for your last message, Phil!
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by Christophe » 04/10/08, 12:07

phil53 wrote:For my part it is only a wink, I do not adhere to the principle of secret societies which govern everything.
It's still the cash that governs everything, some have an ogre's appetite and know how to get along with plucking the pigeon by making others wear the hat.


Ok then let's say that it is only the bankers who control everything ... : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

To be in agreement with the main video of this topic!
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by Capt_Maloche » 04/10/08, 12:12

If the presidents assassinated or not say it, it is good that it is true
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by Christophe » 04/10/08, 12:18

Capt_Maloche wrote:If the presidents murdered or not say it,


Do you have Medium Cap'tain talents?

: Shock: : Mrgreen:
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by Remundo » 04/10/08, 13:12

I watched the videos ...

What is explained is "moderately" true, because I find the interpretation abusive.

The banker does not "make" the money. He lends a sum and allows the borrower to start his business. In other words, the banker does not "create the money", he will simply receive the money that you agree to pay him in exchange for making available to the borrower an amount he does not have. still and which he needs to invest

The banker indeed lends more money than he has reserves because he knows that statistically, more than 90% of borrowers repay without problems. The reserves that it must have are therefore only the loans of its insolvent customers. I will come back to this point because this is fundamental for the growth of the economy...

By credit, the banker provides a service which he charges via interest. Indeed, this is where he earns money, and these interests are one of the main causes of monetary erosion. Since from year to year, the money supply grows large with interest This indeed requires taking from geological resources and leads to crack if they are not renewable.

On the other hand, not all interests go to the bankers, because they are not the only capital bearers: when you buy a bond, you are blocking your money for a third party, in return you demand remuneration for your money.

The main accustion is "The banker lends more money than he has reserves and he is a bandit who gets rich and controls the world".

Yes and no...
There is nothing to prevent an investor from financing all of its capital requirements. The banker can go and get brushed.

BUT it requires economy and long-term thinking. 90% of individuals and SMEs are not ... for various reasons.

So if the banks cut the credit, the whole economy and therefore the standard of living will decrease exponentially.

It is in this that the banks and their granting of credit control only the investors without the money, that is to say a lot of people : Idea:

Without the credit system, no building, no cars, no R&D or industry, no comfort

Denying the banking system is a choice, but more It's a lifestyle choice, because it leads to the barter economy of the Gallic times, with the standard of living that goes with it, Spread the word.
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by Christophe » 04/10/08, 13:38

: Shock: : Shock: : Shock: is it all black or all white with you Remundo?

There is no question of renouncing the banking system or capitalism but of changing certain abuses of the current monetary, banking and financial system ...

Anyway, it's the beginning of the end ... and Arte's documentary on the crises was absolutely right when he said:

Each financial crisis is repaired by a patch that lasts a few months or years but the crisis that follows is each time more dramatic


https://www.econologie.com/forums/les-crises ... t5666.html

There's the arte thema debate here: http://www.arte.tv/fr/DOSSIER-Finanzkrise/2100738.html

The current system is coming to an end, we can not prevent it from collapsing but by taking RADICAL change decisions so maybe we will return to a more human capitalism system!

It is not for nothing that the great religions have condemned usury for centuries ...
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by Remundo » 04/10/08, 14:58

Thanks for the links,

I think I brought a lot more nuance than the film, which is all dark.

I'm all gray :D

Religions condemn usury in the name of moral principles (charity in particular) and I believe that to associate religions and economic questions is not very judicious in the year 2008... Please keep religions in their areas of spirituality and morals and that will be enough ...

Usury (interests) is necessary for economic development: it is what puts oil in the wheels by stimulating activity by the immediate release of capital: this circulation capital is directly convertible into material goods, such as roads, buildings, houses, etc ... fundamental in modern societies.

Without wear, everyone keeps his capital because he has no interest to lend it ... And the borrowers are muzzled for their projects. The whole system freezes: the money loses its value, the facilities are degraded, the recession peaks and the bartering is not far ...

Bartering is a rigid economy and much more lawless than it seems: money does not circulate there and things are priceless, on the contrary the circulation of money gives a price to things while creating wealth through the wear mechanism.

I believe that another serious mistake is to confuse the fundamentals of the banking system, namely lending and deposit management, with all the drifts of the banking system, as:
- the loan to people who are knowingly insolvent, guaranteed by speculation on the real estate (to prevent the resale price of the house + the incomplete payments from the borrower): it's called subprimes : Idea:
- the casino stock market: banks build products like warrants that bet on the rise or fall of a value
- outrageous insurance and reinsurance activities, designed to suck money from the saver without creating any wealth

These are roughly the 3 activities which either siphon the equity of banks or divert people from the real creation of wealth, namely the production of goods and services.

Once this stock market / dupe loan mentality is well established, credit crashes and the recession comes its nose. By the way, some verreux are enriched and laugh at the credulity of their customers.

I repeat, let the banks do their job and nothing but their job: receive deposits and grant credits reasonable.

By the way, at the same time, the entire industry and agriculture must be reoriented towards renewable energy. Because usury has a flaw: the payment of interest requires the exploitation of additional wealth that must be taken from the natural environment. We are clearly going towards crach if we limit ourselves to the exploitation of fossil resources (see my recent addition from October 5

For those who wish to avoid borrowing (and I am one of them), it is the patience, the regular work and the savings which result which make it possible to carry out an investment without the help of anyone, and therefore without commitment .

The anti-credit agitators are very nice, but they offer nothing but the economy of a few centuries ago.
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