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New economic deal, interventionism at zero €




by hic » 12/02/11, 12:03

New Economic Deal / Interventionism at zero €
or How to enter the crisis


1.Correction of Calculation Errors


at. Price of photovoltaic kw


the price of photovoltaic kw is calculated on a return on investment of 10 or 15 years,

while the REAL PRICE of Kw must be for real production
over the life of the equipment, which will be 40 years or more. . .

The real price of the photovoltaic KW will be lower


a1. Price of kw solar thermal

Same ~



b. Thermal insulation of a building


the REAL INSULATION PRICE must be for the real life of the equipment, which will be 150 years and more. . .



Partial conclusion
The price of solar is overestimated

Thermal insulation of a building is the best solution. . .



Let's invent new ways out of the ideoEnergetic rut! ! !
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Re: New Econological Deal / Interventionism at zero €




by green » 12/02/11, 12:25

Hic wrote:b. Thermal insulation of a building
The REAL Insulation PRICE must be made for the real life of the equipment which will be 150 years and more. . .

I renovate an untouched part of the house which dates from 1990 and suddenly I redo the insulation which is not sufficient for today but which was at the time.
In 50 years, on the occasion of a refitting by the new owners, even if it is still in good condition the insulation will undoubtedly be redone because in any case obsolete ...
And then, 150 years, the current houses are not planned to last as long.
I think that already 50 to 60 years is a maximum for a house without there being any major work requiring re-insulation.
Fashions and tastes evolve very quickly.
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by hic » 12/02/11, 13:23

verdes wrote:
Hic wrote:b. Thermal insulation of a building
The REAL Insulation PRICE must be made for the real life of the equipment which will be 150 years and more. . .

I renovate an untouched part of the house which dates from 1990 and suddenly I redo the insulation which is not sufficient for today but which was at the time.
In 50 years, on the occasion of a refitting by the new owners, even if it is still in good condition the insulation will undoubtedly be redone because in any case obsolete ...
And then, 150 years, the current houses are not planned to last as long.
I think that already 50 to 60 years is a maximum for a house without there being any major work requiring re-insulation.
Fashions and tastes evolve very quickly.


it would not surprise that we dismount
a low-consumption house at 15 kWh / m².year in 50 years,

and it has nothing to do with the houses of 1960 which are still not insulated

it works like refrigerators when you go from
G to B is very profitable,
but replacing an A with an A + ca becomes less obvious
and requires a longer usage time


I remind you that a low consumption house costs only 10% more than a conventional house
(not counting straw insulation houses)

Can we do better?
Yes with vacuum insulators!
PIV, a new generation of insulation, offers exceptional thermal capacities. Its coefficient of thermal conductivity is indeed between 0,0042 and 0,0050 W / mK
http://isolation.comprendrechoisir.com/comprendre/piv

Waiting for the cheap piv
who should not delay
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by dedeleco » 12/02/11, 17:41

Very good note from Hic !!

The maximum amortization time is the time left to live, each ???

but since the future is unpredictable, current certainties are total uncertainties seen from our future, because they project our current knowledge without being able to guess our future progress, as all our technology was unpredictable 50 years or 100 years ago (computers, unpredictable phones, etc.).

So our thick hyper-insulated houses will make you laugh in the future !!

Fashion alone will do it all over again !!

Vacuum insulation will be done !!

And we will do it with solar heating stored underground summer for the winter !!
It will be a coherent whole without CO2 in perpetuity which will ridicule everything that is currently being done !!

So wait until it drops in price to renovate !!
Wait until we add the pumps and means to remake the vacuum, in my opinion crucial!
Its price is already lower per m2 than external insulation ?????
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