Gasoline: distribution price HT, TIPP, VAT

[martien007]

Yesterday evening in the news from 20 p.m. on FR2:

http://jt.france2.fr/20h/

SP95: HT = 0,55; TIPP = 0,61; VAT = 0,22

SP98: HT = 0,65; TIPP = 0,61; VAT = 0,24

The TIPP is fixed, the VAT increases with the price excluding tax.

Sarko proposes to transfer the surplus of VAT collected by the State, ie + 150 million euros in the 1st quarter, BUT he forgot to say that TIPP's revenue fell by 100 million euros (decrease in overall fuel consumption ).

So this is an announcement that makes pschiiittt because it requires the agreement of the 27 European countries to apply a measure on VAT and it can last + several years

It is therefore a "bogus" advertisement (like that of Chirac for restaurant owners' VAT at 5,5% a few years ago ... and that never happened).

They did not indicate the distribution on the other fuels.

If someone has the info I am interested in Diesel, E85, LPG and CNG.

[Christophe]

Details about fuel margins and taxes Source: Jancovici 2006.



TIPP is fixed? It still took 0.61-0.42 = 19 cents from then 2006 or 45% increase in 2 years? So either the FR2 figures are pipo or has there been an increase in TIC / TIPP in katimini?


10 cents difference on HT between SP95 and SP98 are you sure you don't confuse with something else?

Otherwise yes the prop of sarko is flan ... were there some that were not so far?

[jonule]

it is the tax exemption of real costs on taxes which should make it possible to no longer pay them through oil inflation and the taxes which the state collects!
sure that would encourage them to regulate, like the UART for telecommunications ...

[martien007]

For TIPP there's something ...

TIPP is fixed? It still took 0.61-0.42 = 19 cents from then 2006 or 45% increase in 2 years? So either the FR2 figures are pipo or has there been an increase in TIC / TIPP in katimini?

this is what is said in Wikipedia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIPP

Must re-listen to what they say in the news: the TIPP being fixed .... redistribution can only be done on VAT !!!!

I understand that it is fixed. At the time of Fabius, I remember that he had created the floating TIPP and it was deleted by the right. How to explain this difference?

10 cents difference on HT between SP95 and SP98 are you sure you don't confuse with something else?

Yep I thought it was weird, I thought they were talking about diesel and SP95 but I saw it online. This is the 3rd subject.

They take us for idiots frankly.

We don't understand anything.

Opinion of Mr. Aubry today:

Associated Press the 28 / 05 / 2008 12h40

Oil: Martine Aubry denounces "the promises which cannot be kept" by Nicolas Sarkozy
The socialist mayor of Lille Martine Aubry denounced Wednesday "the promises which cannot be kept" by President Nicolas Sarkozy on petroleum products, and referred to an "admission of helplessness" by the latter.

Referring to the intervention of Nicolas Sarkozy Tuesday morning on RTL, Martine Aubry criticized on the same radio "the self-satisfaction" of the Head of State. "We first expected concrete answers on oil, and there once again, an admission of helplessness and promises that cannot be kept. Moreover, the European Commission said it the same day ", she denounced.

According to her, the President of the Republic should have taken "short-term" measures to cut fuel taxes in favor of "employees who get up early", who "know that a tank today is 10% of the minimum wage, 100 euros."

"I applauded the Grenelle Environment Forum but I am still awaiting its measures", she added, estimating that "there were a lot of promises" from Nicolas Sarkozy but "the texts are still not out ".

When asked if she would be a candidate for the post of First Secretary of the Socialist Party, Martine Aubry refused to answer: "the French have had enough that every morning a socialist leader says 'I would see myself in such and such a place', they would like to be told 'we', ”she said. AP

Indeed a full of 70 liters of diesel at 1 euros is 50 euros (105 / 1th of SMIC).

[Remundo]

Hello everyone,

This is an interesting subject!

And voui, Sarko's proposals amount to putting a bandage on a wooden leg ... What else can he do?

On Europe, its proposal can not pass for several years because it requires the agreement of 27. And is it really a solution to cap the VAT revenue? That's not the problem.

The short-term "good recipe" would be to lower the TIPP. Ah but I forgot, the 20 years of previous governance left 2000 billion euros of various wastes without any significant investment in clean and renewable energy.

Assessment: status quo!

Reduce your consumption for those who can!
(there is room when I see traffic jams every winter vacation to the Alps and in summer to the sea ...)

Quickly buy an electric car for city dwellers who need a personal vehicle, and even rural residents who travel less than 100 km / out!

Everyone is starting to cheer up well in all sectors because of the overdependence on fossil oil. And this is only the beginning: after 20 years of incubation, the disease is declared and may well not make quarter

[Christophe]

They take us for idiots frankly.

We don't understand anything.

Of course ... and it is useless to argue on the basis of rotten numbers ...

According to her, the President of the Republic should have taken "short-term" measures to cut fuel taxes in favor of "employees who get up early", who "know that a tank today is 10% of the minimum wage, 100 euros."

Yes and? So What? It was well over 20% in 1980 ...



https://www.econologie.com/forums/heures-de- ... t2786.html

Here are some analyzes of this curve:

Everything is in constant currency so inflation has been taken into account (...) it was necessary to work 9000h the smic to pay for a mid-range car in 1982 and it only takes 3000 now ...

In other words: proportionally the investment of a current car is 3 times lighter than there is 20 years... I doubt that the fact that we drive "bcp" more compensates for a fuel cost divided by 3 ... The days are not 3 times longer and the average speed is more or less the same ...

The only losers of these facts are the future generations ...

[Remundo]

How good it feels to read such numbers!

Too bad that all of France is not connected on this subject!

it has more than doubled since 2005 despite the successive revaluations of the minimum wage ...

[georges100]

why beg brussels to lower VAT ?????

we could roll in oil, it is a food product therefore reduced VAT ....
it's not petroleum so no tipp ....
and that depends only on sarko ....

[Remundo]

it depends on Sarko?

Moué ... but many more actors taking off the sector.

And even more agricultural blockages.
HVB cannot decently supply more than a few% of our diesel needs without covering more than half of our arable land

When will the fishermen grow oilseed algae for their boats and also the resale of surpluses on the market

[Christophe]

How good it feels to read such numbers!

Too bad that all of France is not connected on this subject!

It's up to you to boost the dissemination of this info ... there is so much shit mailing (which is useless except polluting the net) of the style you won a meal offered by Bill Gates who circulate that this one would raise the level a little ...

https://www.econologie.com/prix-des-carb ... -3820.html
https://www.econologie.com/methode-de-fa ... -3819.html

Tomorrow or later I will put it for the articles and especially, for the forums, so you can broadcast the topics that you find particularly interesting ...

it has more than doubled since
2005 despite the successive revaluations of the minimum wage ...

I suppose you mean barrel in $? In constant € it did not double ... far from it. And even if it had doubled we would still be half the price of energy / minimum wage in 1980 or so ...

ps: for the "VAT of sarko" it is really full pipo, it only has to reduce the TIC by 10 cents (anti econological but hey ...) ... It is applicable overnight ... The change in VAT not really.

Anyway, he doesn't give a damn about your face ... Can he resign a president?

A few hours (minutes?) Of ICT revenues from the State would be enough to finance serious research on water doping ... No comment