Nuts: natural and biodegradable laundry

[jcsjerome]

Hello,

I have also been using soapnuts recently. At the beginning, I put as indicated 6 half nuts at 30 °, I found that it washed almost nothing. Dirty earth socks remain brown.

So now we shield the bag of nuts each time and I find it hard to be really convinced especially that they have a certain smell these nuts ... To make it smell good, we are advised of essential oils which they are expensive .

In short, it may be necessary that I raise the temperature to 40 ° so that it washes ...

[Christine]

Yes, it is better to increase the temperature (but you would be in the same case with a detergent). The higher the temperature, the more nuts release their saponin. On the other hand, if it is white cotton socks, I can advise you to add a spoonful of sodium percarbonnate to your laundry because, on the one hand, this product "boosts" the effectiveness of nuts ( especially if your water is hard) and on the other hand, it gives a real whiteness to your laundry. It also gives a little smell of fresh.

[Woodcutter]

Because it is absolutely not representative of reality.

So I live in an imaginary city.

Here ... I missed that ...

Can you understand the nuance between "not representative" and "not true"?

You live in a town where the network is unitary, OK, that's how it is in places where the network is old.

ALL new networks have been separative, perhaps for 10 or 20 years, so do not generalize from an example that is not representative.

[PITMIX]

Hi Bucheron, it was more the term "reality" which annoyed me by being associated with "not representative".

Finally it's not bad.
I have slept since

Otherwise compared to what Christine says I agree.
A conventional detergent (except those that cost the skin of the buttocks special for cold washings) do not wash at 30 ° C.
Just like the washing balls which only remove bad smells and make the laundry flexible from 30 ° C.
To wash, the water must be at 50 or 60 ° C for dirty colors.

It is noted on the programmer of my machine:
-White 90 ° C
- Dirty color 60 ° C
- Eco wash 40 ° C
-Express 30 ° C
If you want to remove stains on laundry from 30 ° C you must put money in Super Active detergents, but afterwards do not try to water your flowers with the washing water

[Christophe]

but afterwards do not try to water your flowers with the washing water

Pourrrrrrrrkouaaaaa?

[w]

On the other hand I live in a place (Chablais / 74) where the water is limestone ++. Can we use an anti limestone with nuts?

Hi my little Steph. Since we are never so well served as by myself, I will answer my question.

But yes my big you can put an anti-lime with your nuts. You can also put a fabric softener. Since you live in a region where the water is very hard, it is normal that the laundry does not come out soft as some testimonies on the forum. But whatever the detergent used, the laundry will come out more or less rough, so you might as well stay with the nuts. However, given the hardness of the water, the number of nuts must be increased a little. We are 8 half.

Regarding the use of essential oils, you can actually be disappointed. 18 drops and on leaving no smell in the laundry. At 11 euros a bottle, it's annoying .
To improve the story, you can try puryfitout (had to dare for the name anyway, there are some who are not afraid). It is a complex based on essential oils (yes, we do not get out). 3 plugs in the rinsing tank and there finally the laundry comes out with a smell (more pleasant).

For limestone, you can go to one of the local green stores for anti-limestone tablets. In the same store you will be able to find a fabric softener from "sweet nature" (also with essential oils. With all these oils, it makes you wonder if the joints of the machine will appreciate. I will keep you posted my child Steph) and even some soap nuts (it's still a joke. For my first order at the econologique store, I tanned my colleagues at work, my family to have an order large enough not to pay the costs. 'send and I had these damn nuts at such a good price less than 3 km from my house).

This is Steph. Do not hesitate to call on you in the future if ever. I will answer you with pleasure.

[sivencl]

Hello,

I am new to this site as in ecology. My poor health (I am sensitive to all things chemicals, heavy metals, etc.) gave me back my sight, and I started at home: no more stinky products in the water that I reject, at least I 'try, no more disgusting deodorants, no more "parabens, Lauryte sulfate, Peg stuff, etc ... less consuming electric heaters, organic garden products, etc .... when I have done the tour, I will go to the car (I only consume 5l per 100, with Fap, already, I will have to reduce the number of km) and more.

We have been using soap nuts for 3 months at home, and we are satisfied with it.
I always put (us) a tablespoon of Sodium Percarbonate + 5 drops of essential oils.
The laundry is largely as soft as with the dirty detergent from before (high-end brand, because the low-end did not give the expected results) + high-end softener!
Water hardness 23.
For the smell, it smells good when it comes out of the machine ... it smells like nothing after drying (whether by dryer or on the line). We won't put any more, it's useless and it costs a little. and finally the "nothing" smells good.
If it's white: 2 tablespoons of Percarbonate.
And if it's dirty (not dirty with sweat, but stains, mud, blood): a little (1/2 ca coffee) of gall soap with percarbonate! it's radical, in my house.
The only stains that remained are those that would also have remained with my chemical detergent ....: Pastel (my wife paints a lot), it remains, so grandmother's stuff is there: a baking soda paste on it for 10 minutes before washing. and then, well, a patch of fat once, which I removed with the gall soap then.
It ends up costing elsewhere, but my calculations tell me that it is always cheaper than chemical detergent + softener + possibly stain remover.
I was surprised at the article of Que Choisir ... In fact, they used the nuts alone ... no percarbonate, nothing ...... and they stuck to wash things so dirty that I would not even have tried to wash with my chemical mark. So, well ..... I never tried to wash the Baby bib without percarbonate, personal .... but with, it gets very clean.
It also seems (there are articles on the subject) that there are nuts not terrible on the market at the moment, which hardly contain saponin ... they may have fallen on it, What to choose?
The nuts that I bought (German site, but they are found in the organic store nearby) are marked fair trade. at least Fair Trade stuff: it would be nice if it were true. But hey, you can't have it.
One question: given that the market for nuts has grown exponentially (which probably does not lead to big numbers yet), how soon will there be a shortage of 'wild' nuts? hope not before my tree (I planted seeds in October!) gives ......

[sivencl]

Ah yes, STeph-Pds, your message made me laugh ... Instead of an anti-limestone, you tried the magnetic things? There is a site specializing in "magnetism" which sells magnetic wash balls, my sister tells me that it is good, yet her water is very hard.

[Woodcutter]

What does percarbonate do?

And what becomes of it when it leaves the machine?

[sivencl]

Subject to reservation, I am not a specialist, just a user, so what follows is just a personal summary

Rated Use:

Sodium percarbonate releases soda ash and hydrogen peroxide in water. soda ash is a good lime catcher and improves the effect of saponin, hydrogen peroxide is a whitener
So, sodium percarbonate is a stain remover, deodorant, disinfectant, and above all a whitening agent: it allows White linen not to turn yellow.
One of the descriptions on a site is
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Salt stain and whitening xxxxxxxx
(100% sodium percarbonate)
Sodium percarbonate is used in addition to the soap nut xxxxxxxxx. Liberator of active oxygen, its degradation is not polluting for the environment and completes the ecological virtues of the Indian nut.
It dissolves persistent stains and acts as an antibacterial. The colored cloths keep their color. Its whitening action avoids dullness and retains the shine of white linen.
Active in water from 30 °.
The 500g box corresponds to approximately 25 to 50 detergents.
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At first I did not use it because I found it to be expensive, but after some disappointments with the nuts (stains that remained and white which was gray), I decided, and it's great.
In my opinion inseparable from the soap nut.
We are on average 3 (2 "old" 55 years old, and often a baby or a little one of 3 years old).
My tablespoon must be smaller than that of the manufacturer because I am at 44 loads with my box of 500gr, there are left for ten loads, it will make 54 loads approximately.
I put it in the laundry tub 1 spoon almost at the time, 2 spoons if very dirty or so white.
There is no deposit either in the machine or on the laundry. The colored linen supports it perfectly, the white comes out (for the moment) as bright as with traditional detergents and their optical brighteners, shirt collars are ok.

Price side:

There is interest in buying it by 1kg: we sometimes find the Kg of a brand at the price of 500gr of other brands, around 7,5 €. It seems that some 1st price supermarket whiteners are 100% sodium percarbonate, but I have never found any: they all contain rubbish in addition.

Its use reduces the need for nb of nuts: per detergent, in slightly broken shells, we put about 10gr (against 18gr before), reused on average 2,3 times, which makes 230 detergents (the nuts that I I seem to be well supplied with saponin, most of my detergents are 30 or 40 °; it happened that I reuse the small bag 5 times).
I calculated that I would need 2 kg with the kg of soap nuts, or about 220 detergents. It doubles the price of nuts (2kg PS 15 € + 1kg NL 14 € = 29 € + He 10 = 39, but I'm not going to put unnecessary HE anymore), and I consider that it remains below the price of the couple Laundry + fabric softener (Laundry 7 € * 6 + ad 2,5 € * 10 = 67 €). From the start the goal was not a gain of money, but it is always good not to give to pollute the planet.

Environmental side:

From all the sites I have looked at, percarbonate seems to have no negative impact on the environment.
Do not touch it with the skin, however.
I do not, however, think that we can collect the washing water for the plants, as with the nuts alone. Although .... (if anyone can answer that?).

It should not be confused with sodium perborate, also presented as natural and biodegradable, also sold in organic stores, but which is harmful to the environment due to the excess of boron returned.
The Rainett brand writes on its site:
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In Rainett laundry detergents, we do not use perborate bleach, which is considered to be harmful to the environment, and we use percarbonate instead, which is harmless.
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The site http://www.rise.be/documentation/Nettoy ... pletes.pdf
describes everything well: the good and the bad.
Here is.
I advise you to find on the Internet "the big household" of raffa that almost all the world plebiscite.
Kind regards.