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by Christophe » 20/11/20, 09:31

izentrop wrote:Yeah, online sales in general work because oil is artificially cheap.
All these vans that run almost empty, on small country roads, contribute to the acceleration of global warming if you look at it closely.


Disagree: in traditional shops you also have to deliver, right? Worse, you have to deliver (at least) twice: the store and the customer (who comes how in your opinion?)

After all is a question of delivery optimization ... and Amazon has been shitting on it for some time!

I have been ordering on Amazon since 2002 ... and I have noticed for about 1 year that Amazon was doing anything: despite the grouping of products when ordering (option "Receive items in a minimum of deliveries") and the fact that I'm in no hurry, it is delivered more and more often with the 1 product 1 package method ... even when the packages arrive the same day at the same place ...

I recently placed an order with 8 small products of a similar nature ... the 8 would have entered a standardized letter box in a single package ... Bin I received 1 packages ... : Shock: : Shock: : Shock:

Amazon has that many logistics centers? I do not believe !

I think Amazon has a desire to artificially inflate the number of its packages in order to increase its market share with respect to deliverers and therefore negotiate lower prices! American method ... who doesn't give a damn about the environment!

I usually deliver to a relay point to precisely (supposedly) optimize deliveries ... it's better to stop 1 van for 20 packages than for 1 ...

Okay: e-commerce tends to make people buy more ... like when you go to action, you need a product, you go out with 20 products ... policy of slashed prices ...
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by Christophe » 20/11/20, 09:39

perplex wrote:Amazon is just a distributor, it does NOT make ANYTHING, it finds its products in France and elsewhere. Many small boxes today would be dead without Amazon. So easy to believe anything, it must be said that surrounded by stupid specialists in everything, it limits thinking ... : Mrgreen:


It's not so pink the back of the Amazon store! Those who survive only thanks to Amazon should review their development policy!

I was a seller on Amazon (6 months in 2016) ... it was a painful experience and it is difficult to market and sell serenely on Amazon which:

- takes at least 15 to 25% of com (at the time) on the turnover of your sales, i.e. shipping costs included (i.e. Amazon taxes you the shipping costs which are a charge for you :D magic ... for them !!)
- continuously puts pressure to lower your prices and align yourself with the competition (even with "Chinese" people)
- puts pressure on volume targets, if you do not achieve a certain volume, you will be fired ...

American-style methods that baffle me ... from where I quickly stopped!

If if Amazon also manufactures (well subtracted) and has its own brands .... like Amazonbasics for example ... I don't know if there are others ...
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by Christophe » 20/11/20, 09:48

Did67 wrote:We can also observe that if today, we can go to his "multi-brand" garage and see his vehicle of any brand repaired in 24 hours, what suits us well is that the guy orders parts - that obviously it does not have in stock - in the morning and that it is delivered in the afternoon! That's why you drop off your car at 8 o'clock!


Uh the intra-day delivery depends on the type of parts and brands eh ... it's not valid for complex parts which can take 2 to 3 days ...

Did67 wrote:As one might observe that it is better to have a van that organizes a tour of say 100 "customers" than to see 100 customers take their own car (even if it is dirty) to pick up the object that will be delivered to them. It is much more energy efficient.


That's it, that ties in with my remark to Izy
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by Christophe » 20/11/20, 09:51

izentrop wrote:without AMAZON many small craftsmen would no longer exist


Chinese craftsman you mean?

Can you find us in 2 minutes flat 3 craft products made in France (non-food) sold on Amazon?

I don't know where you got this idea from but I think it's wrong! Amazon is above all a marketplace for the Chinese!

Craftsmanship seems to me strongly incompatible with the amazon sales policy for the 3 reasons I mentioned above
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by Did67 » 20/11/20, 09:52

izentrop wrote:
I was mainly thinking of low-cost packages and low transport costs




In a "wild world" regulators will always be lagging behind.

It would be through a level of consciousness that everyone should regulate themselves. But as we are drug addicts, as we can no longer endure an annoyance, as we jealous our neighbors or friends who "already have such a thing" that we do not yet have ... Etc ... Etc. .. this is going to be hard. Very difficult !

Sometimes it's more complicated. Those who watch my videos know that I have a mic problem on my wireless (HF) mic system. I do not know where, at a reasonable price (less than the entire system) I would have found a microphone of this brand ??? I would have surely done miles. I ordered from an Amazon competitor. Here ! Was it better to "throw"?
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by Christophe » 20/11/20, 09:58

Did67 wrote:It would be through a level of consciousness that everyone should regulate themselves. But as we are drug addicts, as we can no longer endure an annoyance, as we jealous our neighbors or friends who "already have such a thing" that we do not yet have ... Etc ... Etc. .. this is going to be hard. Very difficult !


There you go ... thank you covid! We will have less difficulty since we have learned to consume "better" for a long time! : Cheesy: 8)

Did67 wrote:Sometimes it's more complicated. Those who watch my videos know that I have a mic problem on my wireless (HF) mic system. I do not know where, at a reasonable price (less than the entire system) I would have found a microphone of this brand ??? I would have surely done miles. I ordered from an Amazon competitor. Here ! Was it better to "throw"?


Uh don't tell me you want to apologize because you ordered a spare part from Amazon? Should be ashamed? Because that's how I feel about your message there?

Of course you were right rather than throwing it away! And those who would blame you are nazes ...

Ordering on Amazon or Cdiscount is nothing to be ashamed of, if it's not futile overconsumption (okay that's not the case for everyone ... I've already bought shit myself. ..but I have also already bought shit for real ...)
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by Did67 » 20/11/20, 11:35

I'm not talking about shame. I try to be transparent.

Yes, from an ethical point of view, I would like not to use Amazon. Simple question of not to use, to grow, which I criticize. Which I think is part of the generalized consumerist brutalization. And one of the most brutal, the most anti-ecological, the most "exploitationist" forms [by which I mean who most skillfully "exploits" the system, or if you will, who "deals" the best!) Of capitalism American liberal tendency ... Yes, Bezos makes me throw up! And her success, I would like her to give him a cancer in the ass! The rich fool happy to rule the world can afford a rocket like a tramp picks up a sandwich - but to him, no connection. The tramp had only to succeed. A shame for humanity! A piranha in a crocodile body. And should we call that a man?

At some point, you have to try to be consistent. It is not worth seeing capitalism everywhere, even conspiracy, and self-absolving! So yeah, I'm trying to do without Amazon. And I would like 7 billion humans to do without Amazon.

I haven't used Amazon - but one of those competitors that is not much better!

No, I'm not apologizing because I did it knowingly. "Unbeknownst to me of my own free will" as a cyclist who was not a philosopher said! Yes, I wish I didn't have to.

Come on, let's finish in style. I am happy that Emaüs was invented in France. And that the successors of Abbé Pierre knew how to keep the house and develop it up to e-commerce. I don't know how much the director of Emaüs earns - probably several thousand euros. Not enough to build a rocket. But frankly, I would eat a chicken and chips with him! I would feel in the same humanity. The other moron, who is for me only a sub-man, I would only do it if I managed to slip curare in!
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by Christophe » 20/11/20, 12:50

Roooh didi what are you mean with Bezos there !! : Cheesy:

But you do well to talk about rockets because precisely I wanted to talk about it ... : Mrgreen:

These new mega fortunes, which one criticizes so much (undoubtedly a part of jealousy) and which invest in research, in particular space, or other, must be respected for it ! Because the critics certainly do not do it ... all things considered! That is to say in% of their income, few are those who invest in R&D! There are a few rare cases like me and a few econologists here who don't like to raise money and prefer to have fun in private research. : Mrgreen:

In a pinch and sorry if I will actually scream some, I even prefer that Amazon does not pay tax and invest in R&D when we see how public money is managed and redistributed (mainly to bankers, to capital ...), you're talking about a tax for the human !

SpaceX must have a larger R&D budget than that of NASA ...

Bezos, therefore Amazon, also has its space company but, less loudmouth than Musk, we logically talk less apparently they are ahead of SpaceX on certain points. Doing research ... that's not bullshit ...

Privatizing research does not have only drawbacks, when you see what SpaceX has managed to do in 10 years !! Especially since nothing forces them to make this kind of investment ... they could very well do like the Saudis, invest in luxury or sport! Yeah, which brings absolutely nothing to humanity except for futile moments of false happiness for a minority!

Afterwards I would much prefer that they invest their billions in the fight against global warming than in space ... but the RC is less hard-hitting than the conquest of space !! Or they know things that we don't know ... : Cheesy:
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by Did67 » 20/11/20, 14:34

Christophe wrote:
These new mega fortunes, which one criticizes so much (undoubtedly a part of jealousy) and which invest in research, in particular space, or other, must be respected for it ! Because the critics certainly do not do it ... all things considered! That is to say in% of their income, few are those who invest in R&D! There are a few rare cases like me and a few econologists here who don't like to raise money and prefer to have fun in private research. : Mrgreen:



The truth is that it was the public authorities that made the enormous research effort to bring the first man to the moon - for strategic / cold war reasons. By taking advantage, without bragging about it while admitting it, of the Nazi military research !!! There, a few% of the American GDP for several years were put on the table - not to make Kennedy lie. Especially once he had become an icon, after his death!

Today, of course, SpaceX and Co is polishing all this up a bit. The "design" nicely. Nothing to say. Their capsule is beautiful. [I know, it's the other freak; but it's the same].

But above all, they "exploit" a new market. According to the same strategy, highly criticizable, used by Eiffage or I do not know what French groups, which buys the motorways, "improve" them where the State no longer has the means, you treat the users. Here, one should criticize and over there admire ????

Because, they "skim" above all !!!

Jealous of Bezos? Me ??? Are you kidding me? Did you see how ugly and stupid he looks. Like a turkey before its head is cut off to roast it. And as he was plucked by his ex-hen ??? When you hold him by the balls, he doesn't lead off. Oh no. Not jealous for a penny. Nor for a louse!

And to stay on track: I prefer a thousand times the investment of formerly Martin Hirsch, today I do not know who, in Emaüs. Yes, there, jealous! I only do what I can to make some people better garden. Or allow others, who no longer thought they could, to continue ... Not so bad, right ??? Why would I suddenly be jealous ???
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Re: Emmaus Label: the social and united French Amazon




by Christophe » 20/11/20, 14:54

Calm down Didier, it's not good for your heart! Don't take my answers personally, I speak, like you, in general ...

The truth is that it is the private power of the GAFA that is making the enormous research effort to bring the first man to Mars ...

So in the end, despite everything we say, the GAFA use the tax money rather well that they do not pay! : Cheesy: (good this is to tease)
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