Remundo wrote:but more generally, all these smartphones at X00 € are scams. In my opinion it comes out at € 50 in cost price of Chinese factories.
Ah the myth of traders are all scammers that stands out ...That’s sorry Remundo, but that’s a stupid remark we see that you have never been a trader or independent ... I was 10 years so I feel a bit targeted!
Already we must add the import costs and customs tax. From "your" 50 leaving the factory in China, we quickly reach 80-90 prices excluding VAT in Europe or even more ... There are already intermediaries who want their share! Unless you have your own factory in China, then it becomes interesting (ok this is the case with Apple, but here I am defending "small businesses")
And if you do not make 2,5 to 3 of coefficient between the purchase price HT and of sale TTC, bin you do not come out.
So, in France and Western Europe (where companies are massacred by social charges, employers, taxes and duties ...) a smartphone bought 90 € HT must be sold between 250 and 300 € TTC at the "normal" price. (excluding promotions or sales) ... of course some make more coef, but 2,5 to 3 is the bare minimum to survive ...
Those who are "shocked" by this reasoning (oh ugly salespeople, all scammers! They make a lot of money) are dirty idiots who never had the courage to go into business themselves!
Indeed; on this coefficient 3, only about 1/3 comes back to the boss (and again 30% is very often it is rather 10 to 15%, the larger the company and the higher the product prices the more low, in construction this is a few% or even less than 1%) ... I'm talking about all charges deducted!
So the smartphone sold in China for 50 €, here 300 € including tax will bring less than 50 € "in the pocket" of its seller (maybe 20 to 30 € ...) ... we understand why the Chinese are more motivated than us to work !!
Otherwise you want to talk about the RSI? Taxation on turnover and not on profit made in Sarkozy !! To kill entrepreneurship there is no better!
ps: now that we can buy directly in China, go and see the prices, they are not so low "the bottom" after I ignore the coef that the Chinese do ... The best is to look for a manufacturer on alibaba by playing it blue but this takes time ...