Ecology and Vegetarianism: food, climate and CO2

[Janic]

janic wrote: it's only an excuse, even a good one, to justify the current situation ... in France, which at the same time illustrates the American farms with intensive farming

It's not an excuse, it's true, and it's the exact opposite of American-style farms, so it's nothing more than a virtuous and ecological way of farming. Personally I vomit the industrial breeding of ALL the animals (I already said it, of the remainder).

This is only an excuse to justify the fact that in France the American model, in cattle breeding, is not dominant but it is ongoing as for poultry or pork, it is only a question of time, probably the decade and therefore that breeding has a virtuous role. And there is no question of bio, but GMO, antibiotics, etc ... because in France the agricultural model of grandfather is definitely outdated and where dominates the business (in large, very large farms that will be the only ones tomorrow) with the export policy that does not work for small farmers.
But we can not reconcile a continuous expansion of the world population, and its demand for more and more meat, so more and more land devoted to animal feed with American soybean blows, deforestation, etc ... We are in a vicious circle from which we can only go out by drastically reducing the consumption of animals, IN THE WORLD and it is bad, very badly in this direction because the viandards will not want to voluntarily reduce their consumption, even the stop, except under constraint related to a food choice that will be either to feed butchery animals or to feed humans (although cannibal is a solution)
And it is not the DIY of organic breeding that will solve the problem!
PS: did you watch the video of Lucet, object of this reminder of the subject. Otherwise there is much worse!

[GuyGadebois]

I have nothing to do with what you gagates, I know since 40 years! I'm just saying that pastoralism is virtuous (if organic), ecological (if organic), good for biodiversity and that I hate all other forms of farming. It's back in your neuron?

[Janic]

I have nothing to do with what you gagates, I know since 40 years!

So much the better, you are not lost for humanity, but are you won by humanism?

I just say that pastoralism is virtuous, ecological, good for biodiversity

and here it makes us a beautiful leg to know that we have clippers on legs. The question is elsewhere:

Farmed cattle live on average 2 years on a life expectancy of 20 years, 10% of their life. On the human scale it is equivalent to dying at the age of 8 years *. Dairy cows live on average 5 years, a quarter of their life expectancy

and that I hate all other forms of breeding.

What does it change for the animals themselves! It's back in your neuron?

https://www.l214.com/vaches/elevage-vaches-laitieres
https://vegepeople.wordpress.com/2015/0 ... -delevage/

the slaughter of the calves at 2 at 5 months is virtuous, ecological pastoralism and good for diversity?

[GuyGadebois]

the slaughter of the calves at 2 at 5 months is virtuous, ecological pastoralism and good for diversity?

I do not fit into your moronic and emotional delusions.
https://www.iucn.org/fr/content/le-past ... -%C3%A0-la

[Janic]

janic wrote: slaughtering calves at 2 to 5 months is virtuous pastoralism, ecological and good for diversity?

I do not fit into your moronic and emotional delusions.

It is you who gives the emotional with your pseudo pastoralism intended to camouflage the world food situation of the rich countries which are less and less pastoralists precisely.
https://www.iucn.org/fr/content/le-past ... -% C3% A0-la
A beautiful hypocrisy by seeking to make believe that the pastoralism of the poor regions of the world and the false pastoralism of the rich countries would be one and the same thing. Where is the pastoralism of Paris, Lyon, Marseille and in general of all the medium-sized cities of France and all the cities of the modern world? and you call that moralistic delirium? In reality, behind this hypocrisy hide manufacturers who have nothing to do with ethics unless it brings them a lot of money.
Hypocrisy when you ask the question of most of the city slum consumers how many have already killed the animals that end up on their plates and how many would be ready to do so? and at one stroke the VG finds thousands of theoretical followers.
Hypocrisy of bullfighting who also pretends to the good life of their cows and bulls before murdering them and sending them to the butcher shops of the bloodthirsty.
Hypocrisy of hunters, who claim to regulate wildlife after killing all natural predators and who consider death as a “noble” sport too
Hypocrisy of nations which consider animals as objects and not living beings like humans, of which they are also part. Now who in France has brought about a change in mentalities and legislation? Neither the breeders, nor the hunters, nor the slaughterhouses, nor the butchers, etc.
Hypocrisy that to pretend that to murder a child, animal, it is emotional, but that to kill small of humans it would be not emotional, but what is it then!
And therefore hypocrisy of this article which makes a lot of useless blabla in the face of the growing world demand for bidoche that no pastoralism with the old one will be able to provide. The article clearly shows WHO is hiding behind these beautiful empty words.
And a little more that will make you happy: hypocrisy of religions which justify these butcheries under the pretext of offerings to the gods as to god for the sole purpose of justifying their taste for murder.

[GuyGadebois]

It is you who gives the emotional with your pseudo pastoralism intended to camouflage the world food situation of the rich countries which are less and less pastoralists precisely.
expensive, etc ...

The people (in Europe) who have practiced traditional pastoralism for generations often have nothing to do with your paranoid delusions of "covering up the world situation" (sic) which they are the first to deplore! They suffer the full brunt of the unfair competition of the concentration camp industries and the opprobrium of lighthearted ones like you who tell nonsense, putting everyone in the same bag. No "emotional" in there, facts, not curses.

[Janic]

The people (in Europe) who have practiced traditional pastoralism for generations often have nothing to do with your paranoid delusions of "covering up the world situation" (sic) which they are the first to deplore!

Except that they live on a past and refuse to see that the world situation has changed and that what they fear to happen is on their doorstep and will replace them faster than they believe, unless they arrive at stop world population growth and their demand for more and more money.

They bear the brunt of the unfair competition from concentration camp industries

It is not unfair competition, but just competition as the super and hyper markets have replaced the small local shops as in the mechanical production industry where the workers have been gradually replaced by robots and by outsourced production at lower cost. This is the reality!

and the reproach of jar lights like you who say anything,

from another lit from the jar it does not leave me!

No "emotional" in there, facts, not curses.

The facts are around you, around the world and veiling your face will not change anything! Even the organic takes the same path to return to the fold of big agro.
We are in 2019, not in 1919!

[GuyGadebois]

The people (in Europe) who have practiced traditional pastoralism for generations often have nothing to do with your paranoid delusions of "covering up the world situation" (sic) which they are the first to deplore!

Except that they live on a past and refuse to see that the world situation has changed and that what they fear to happen is on their doorstep and will replace them faster than they believe, unless they arrive at stop world population growth and their demand for more and more money.<<< MDR !! I point out to you that you speak of the practitioners of pastoralism, not of the enarques ... The shepherds of the PACA region are living well in 2019, have no desire to change their mode of exploitation, sell regionally and do not care what you speak in ignorance once more!

They bear the brunt of the unfair competition from concentration camp industries

It is not unfair competition, but just competition as the super and hyper markets have replaced the small local shops as in the mechanical production industry where the workers have been gradually replaced by robots and by outsourced production at lower cost. This is the reality!<<< The reality is that European chickens (a striking example among hundreds) found on the Dakar market are cheaper than those produced in Africa, thanks to the CAP. If that's not unfair competition, someone has to explain to me what it is.

[Janic]

janic wrote:
the people (in europe) who have practiced traditional pastoralism for generations often have nothing to do with your paranoid delusions of "covering up the world situation" (sic) which they are the first to deplore!

except that they live on a past and refuse to see that the world situation has changed and that what they fear to happen is at their doorstep and will replace them faster than they believe, unless they arrive at stop world population growth and their demand for more and more money.

<<< lol !! I point out to you that you speak of the practitioners of pastoralism, not of the enarques ... the shepherds of the paca region are living well in 2019, have no desire to change their mode of exploitation, sell regionally and do not care what you speak in ignorance once more!

Ah, ah, ah! LOL! Finally people who live out of reality! I knew, in the 60s in the depths of Brittany, peasants who mowed their wheat with the scythe, who made millstones, and moved in horse cart, which had received electricity only since very shortly and who had installed an electric pump to avoid the chore of water, the ground of the house was in ground and hens and pigs entered and left freely of this one. It’s over, everyone has gone into the lifestyle of the rest of peasant society with NPK, chemical treatments with agrochemistry.
The breeders don't care about the future, they fear him, they too are feet and fists linked by the system and some commit suicide or see a looking half-open door to labeled organic or conversion, another hypocrisy of petrochemicals.

they bear the brunt of the unfair competition from concentration camp industries

it is not unfair competition, but just competition as the super and hyper markets have replaced the small local shops as in the mechanical production industry where the workers have been gradually replaced by robots and by localized production at lower cost. that's the reality!

<<< the reality is that the european chickens (a striking example among hundreds) found on the dakar market are less expensive than those produced in africa, thanks to the cap. if it's not unfair competition, someone has to explain to me what it is.

That is to say the same thing that our farmers do (they are European too) as soon as they work for export and organizations like FNSEA push them there to the detriment of the populations as for Dakar and others. This is agribusiness and we are not among the most virtuous, whatever the falsely modest arguments of the rulers, themselves trapped by their economy and like the model it is America which drowns YOUR breeders under their soybeans and other GMO and agrochemical crap, they will also go to the pan (or their children).

https://agriculture.gouv.fr/quest-ce-qu ... anada-ceta
France is the leading European exporter of processed foodstuffs to Canada, representing 1% of total exports of processed foodstuffs from the Union to this country. The balance of trade in agrifood goods with Canada is positive for France, amounting to € 24 million in 579.
Cock-a-doodle Doo!

Ahmed and Sen no sen make brilliant demonstrations of this, which you shouldn't read either. Great utopian dreamer!
The best and only solution is to stop global demographic expansion and impose the VG, but it's just as utopian because nobody knows and cannot do, so let's wait for the inevitable catastrophe that will set the record straight on time.

[GuyGadebois]

Let's solve the meat problem: Let's ban it. Let’s solve the problem of overcrowding: Let’s sterilize populations. And tomorrow we ban alcohol, tobacco, drugs, vaccines? Pure fascism.
I prefer education to prohibitions. I prefer to type on McDonalds, KFC, Charal and other deadly industrialists than on people who work well, do good to nature by their way of breeding and who do not feed their animals with soybeans (or other cattle cultivars) like most pastoralists.
Ps: Soon the foie gras! We will feast.