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Re: Alternatives to plastic bottles




by Janic » 01/02/22, 09:19

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Uh... Have you been drinking? Anything other than water? You the champion of correct expression?
compared to your incorrect expressions? Don't you understand?
So give us a correct reformulation according to you!
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Re: Alternatives to plastic bottles




by Exnihiloest » 01/02/22, 18:03

Janic wrote:
Steel and glass are not alternatives to plastic, since at least two essential functions are not fulfilled:
- lightness (therefore economy in transport)
- disposal (complicated in particular for glass since the user no longer benefits from waste removal services).
and if they are reused, very cumbersome management...
it doesn't matter!: what counts is the overall ecological and health balance sheet.
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Obviously not, that would be to reduce the subject to a single arbitrarily chosen criterion, ecology.
What matters is the whole: the assessment to be made according to the advantages/disadvantages of switching from plastic to something else.
Plastic is not a problem if it is recycled.

To my knowledge, there is no replacement material for a disposable container, apart from steel as for cans, but for 1,5 l bottles it does not seem realistic.
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Re: Alternatives to plastic bottles




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 01/02/22, 18:14

Exnihiloest wrote:Plastic is not a problem if it is recycled.

And as it has never been before (but we only recycle a tiny part of it), it is found everywhere and throughout the food chain.
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Re: Alternatives to plastic bottles




by Macro » 02/02/22, 17:28

At our German neighbors plastic bottles are reused several times by the deposit system...
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Re: Alternatives to plastic bottles




by Ahmed » 02/02/22, 18:37

Plastic bottles do not lend themselves well to multiple uses since they were not designed for that. Recycling is a big word since, even when it exists (and this is a small minority of cases), it is limited by the fact that the intrinsic properties of the plastic degrade or that the new use made of it cannot give lead to a third use (case of bottles transformed into fleeces). The word "recycling" is currently a form of exorcism that cheaply relieves consumers of guilt...
In general, plastics are technically (not to mention the economic aspect) difficult to recycle, since beyond the major typologies according to the main component, there are more than 700 different formulations taking into account the various adjuvants and this , not to mention the multilayer plastics present on the same object... : roll:
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Re: Alternatives to plastic bottles




by Exnihiloest » 03/02/22, 18:07

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:...
And as it has never been before (but we only recycle a tiny part of it), it is found everywhere and throughout the food chain.

There's a saying not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, which seems like basic common sense to me.
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Re: Alternatives to plastic bottles




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 03/02/22, 18:12

(We are talking about adages when the whole planet is polluted by plastics...) : Shock:
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Re: Alternatives to plastic bottles




by Exnihiloest » 03/02/22, 18:23

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:(We are talking about adages when the whole planet is polluted by plastics...) : Shock:

It is much less polluted than it is said.
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Re: Alternatives to plastic bottles




by Exnihiloest » 03/02/22, 18:26

Ahmed wrote:...The word "recycling" is for the moment a form of exorcism that cheaply relieves consumers of guilt...

The guilt of man is the weapon of religions, to make him admit that all the misfortunes of the world are his fault while God is good, and to conform him to the dogmas of belief.
Environmentalism is the new religion, picking up on those old tricks of ideological manipulation like guilt and the threat of hell.

Consumers should not be blamed. Improving its lot is what humanity has been doing since its beginnings, it is the engine of its progress.
It's cool to consume. If the degree of requirement of ecological hygiene is such that consumption should be dissuaded rather than adapted and improved, we will do without this deleterious environmentalism.
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Re: Alternatives to plastic bottles




by sicetaitsimple » 03/02/22, 18:45

Macro wrote:At our German neighbors plastic bottles are reused several times by the deposit system...


It's a bit more complicated than that, according to this article:
https://reporterre.net/En-Allemagne-la- ... a-solution
So yes, there is a deposit system, the customer pays on purchase and recovers his bet when he (or a container "collector") brings the container back, which ensures a very good collection rate (nearly 99 % according to the article).
But the rate of reusable bottles (intended to be reused several times as a container) would in fact only decrease
because too "boring" in terms of logistics.
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