Valls2: Macron, an investment banker trader Minister of the socialist economy!

[Petrus]

Macron was finally right, why bother to build a program when you can finish 1st with empty speeches and good media exposure?
The results of this first round encourage me to look into stooge syndrome:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmruf4_le-syndrome-du-larbin_news

[Exnihiloest]

Macron was finally right, why bother building a program
...

On this point, he is not wrong. Who in the past has already held their program? So that today people have understood. The tendency is no longer to vote for a program or for a party, but for a person whose character or personality has been understood to make him take the options we prefer.

when we can finish 1st with empty speeches and good media exposure?

Whether a voter finds attraction in "empty" speech, I doubt it. If Mélenchon obtained so many votes, it would be because of an empty speech? Ah, but then I will be told, Mélenchon is Mélenchon and Macron is Macron, only the first has a not hollow speech which has attraction and the other a hollow speech which has attraction. We see that we are in clan argutia.
Hollow talk has no attraction, unless we take the majority of French people for imbeciles. For me, this is not the case. Taking them for imbeciles denotes more a denial of democracy, a way of saying "they are sheep, we manipulate them but I know better than them, they should have voted (or not) like me". Even if it was the case, what would remain to be demonstrated and amha is the squaring of the circle, only the option taken by the majority counts even if it would fail (again, to fail but in relation to what who would be better, still squaring the circle).

[Ahmed]

The tendency is no longer to vote for a program or for a party, but for a person whose raw understand that the character or personality will make him take the options we prefer and it is all the art of the candidates to make sure that everyone hears what they want to hear (hence the vague wording).
It is obvious that the French are not imbeciles, but they are amateurs who find themselves facing professionals in manipulation and the choice is all the more on the form as the content of the presidential candidates is the same. Certainly, today a case arises which seems to derogate from this rule, however the FN is defined not as a content, but essentially by a position of opposition with its wobbly rhetoric of "outside the system". If her manager were to win it, she would suddenly have nothing to sell in her shop ... Macron, he can always sell us the hard-wearing items that remained in the window of the previous five-year period ...

[Petrus]

Whether a voter finds attraction in "empty" speech, I doubt it. If Mélenchon obtained so many votes, it would be because of an empty speech? Ah, but then I will be told, Mélenchon is Mélenchon and Macron is Macron, only the first has a not hollow speech which has attraction and the other a hollow speech which has attraction. We see that we are in clan argutia.
Hollow talk has no attraction, unless we take the majority of French people for imbeciles. For me, this is not the case. Taking them for imbeciles denotes more a denial of democracy, a way of saying "they are sheep, we manipulate them but I know better than them, they should have voted (or not) like me". Even if it was the case, what would remain to be demonstrated and amha is the squaring of the circle, only the option taken by the majority counts even if it would fail (again, to fail but in relation to what who would be better, still squaring the circle).

The other candidates have marked positions, one can join or not. This is not the case with Macron, as soon as he takes a position he tempers immediately behind, listening to him I had fun counting down as soon as he proposed something until he tempered (we have fun as we can). The goal is to say everything and its opposite, story that everyone recognizes in a part of his speech, it's big manipulation not very subtle (manipulate us better!), But apparently it works.

[Ahmed]

Yes, Petrus, this is what we call market segmentation: you have to sell to everyone what they are ready to buy and to reach a maximum of segments (which is a necessity if you want a majority of votes ), we must not balk at certain contradictions. The same constraint pushes to put forward vague concepts in which everyone recognizes himself (for example, everyone is for peace, even the most bloodthirsty dictators, simply the most belligerent put conditionalities on this peace! ).

[yves35]

Good evening,


Yes, Petrus, this is what we call market segmentation: you have to sell to everyone what they are ready to buy and to reach a maximum of segments (which is a necessity if you want a majority of votes), we must not balk at certain contradictions

what to do to suppress the elections, the parliaments?

I think you're right: a mouse is like an elephant. It's gray

yves

[sen-no-sen]

What is most distressing in this very theatrical presidential race is the total absence of substantive issues, everything turns only on symptomatic aspects of the crises in progress, despite substantial ideological oppositions, the two candidates are in reality in agreement on the substance ...
At the time of the ecocide, neither of the two candidates proposed to take up the challenges of the 21st century.
Macron Le Pen it is ultimately only a battle to define that it models ultra liberalism or populo-nationalism will maintain growth ...

[Ahmed]

Yves35, you write:

what to do, suppress the elections, the parliaments?

How would you explain that a supposedly democratic system leads to the perpetuation of the same oligarchy indefinitely contrary to the interests of the greatest number?
To become aware of the futility of the political "debate" would already be good! And above all, give up waiting for his salvation from a political oligarchy that operates in a vacuum and therefore re-found political action from the bottom ...


Sen-no-sen, your analysis could obviously apply for a long time, it would not lose relevance ...
I would modulate your last sentence like this: Macron Le Pen it is ultimately only a battle to define the model less, but which of ultra-liberalism or national-populism (socialism?) will keep growth within which operating framework: global or national...
However, on this last point, I think that you are perhaps pushing the analysis too far and to give credit with a "thought" to these opportunistic constructions * is to do them a lot of honor, more than nothing. deserves their strategic aspect: the role of the FN consists, as I have already mentioned above, in ensuring (by repulsive effect, which is generally translated by "republican discipline") the election of policies which, by imposing the austerity, displeased their constituents. This is a win-win for both parties, since the pursuit of austerity does not fail to strengthen the Lepéniste party and thus increase its income from the situation ...
Suffice to say that the injunctions to vote Macron is to vote for the causes to avoid the consequences! No, but hello, Bossuet, as would not have said Nabila!
Anyway, economic and thermodynamic determinisms will be able to unfold without brakes or obstacles and history will accelerate with the programmed victory of Macron, as noted Frederic Lordon on his blog:

Because Macron promises to be the accelerator of all processes. Made by the oligarchy as a response to the crisis, it is the best agent for deepening the crisis.

* However, it is a valid way to highlight what they are related to determinisms.

[sen-no-sen]

Sen-no-sen, your analysis could obviously apply for a long time, it would not lose relevance ...

I like truisms!
But it must be said that we live in a period where more is hidden.
A few years ago, we could still have "doubts" about the intentions of our politicians (for the most naive!), But now everything is very clear ... and strangely this clarity seems to blind the greatest number, consequence of the crisis of subjectivation that we are going through.
Si Macron * is elected I think it will mark a historic turning point in the field of social engineering,Macron is the prototype of the politicians of the future: a puppet entirely made by the media in order to serve the interests of the monopolies.
It would not even surprise me to see fictional characters joining the next government ...

I would modulate your last sentence like this: Macron Le Pen is ultimately only a battle to define the model less, but which of ultra-liberalism or national-populism (socialism?) Will maintain growth within which operating framework: global or national ...

In the end, the Macron model is only more liberalism for more expansion, with a strong tendency towards the "qualitative" leap (repurposing conceptual) in favor of NBICs (Macron is the closest candidate to transhumanist ideas).
Le Pen meanwhile repurposing spatial, that is to say a retreat to prepare for expansion ...
Historically, the fund trend will favor the latter, in particular due to the next oil crash.
So if Macron is elected this time, it is a safe bet that in 2022 victory will be won by its competitor.
The system thus favors the cogs most likely to favor its advent.
The FN is too far to the left for the moment, and when the times will come and austerity installed, the party of Mr. Le Pen will be propelled to allow the establishment of a security policy, the social being excluded because of the "events".

However, on this last point, I think that you are perhaps pushing the analysis too far and to give credit with a "thought" to these opportunistic constructions * is to do them a lot of honor, more than nothing. deserves their strategic aspect: the role of the FN consists, as I have already mentioned above, in ensuring (by repulsive effect, which is generally translated by "republican discipline") the election of policies which, by imposing the austerity, displeased their constituents.

The system works largely through the law of opposites, in particular by establishing facade antagonism, as was the case (to much larger dimensions) between capitalism and communism.
The purpose obviously remains the same: the search for exponential growth.

NB: It is interesting to note that the party of M.le Pen is originally a crypto-fascist party and therefore masculine ... embodied by a woman!
The "movement" (!) Of E. Macron liberal libertarian tendency is rather based on a rather feminine vision and is embodied by a man.
It is to lose are Latin!










* The election of The Pen would obviously not be good news, but it would however constitute a cold shower which could lead to interesting political changes, such as for example the renaissance of the extreme left, the appearance of collective citizens etc ... but that goes without saying , there is nothing to expect from his political program.

[Ahmed]

I did well to encourage you to deepen!

It is quite obvious, as you point out, that the moment has not come for the FN and its representative would have everything to lose from a victory next Sunday: that is to say all the contested merchandise that is at the bottom of commerce, moreover, the futility of its governmental options would then appear in broad daylight ...
It is therefore very necessary that Macron prepares him favorable ground beforehand ...
It is quite surprising (but, for whom?) To see the millimeter accuracy of the deterministic theories at work ...

So there will be, unsurprisingly, two winners and many, many losers by the end of this week.