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Re: They killed Notre Dame!




by Leo Maximus » 04/05/19, 20:16

Christophe wrote:Here are some other renovation proposals ...

This is a false debate because historical monuments must be restored identically, it is the law.

It is for this reason that the restoration of historic monuments does not require a building permit.

Now, it is not forbidden to use modern technologies, a titanium framework, for example.
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Re: They killed Notre Dame!




by moinsdewatt » 04/05/19, 22:51

Leo Maximus wrote:
Now, it is not forbidden to use modern technologies, a titanium framework, for example.


No interest. Titanium is expensive.

We rebuilt the frame of the cathedral of Chartres in the middle of the 19ieme century in cast iron and steel.

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Re: They killed Notre Dame!




by izentrop » 05/05/19, 01:43

Leo Maximus wrote:
Christophe wrote:Here are some other renovation proposals ...
This is a false debate because historical monuments must be restored identically, it is the law.
Unless the government decides otherwise https://www.studionab.fr/notredamedeparis
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Re: They killed Notre Dame!




by Leo Maximus » 05/05/19, 10:45

moinsdewatt wrote:
Leo Maximus wrote:
Now, it is not forbidden to use modern technologies, a titanium framework, for example.


No interest. Titanium is expensive.

We rebuilt the frame of the cathedral of Chartres in the middle of the 19ieme century in cast iron and steel.

Thank you for giving me the link I gave the day after the fire: ( Company-and-philosophy / they-are-killing-notre-dame-t15996-10.html # p357839 ) And ( Company-and-philosophy / they-are-killing-notre-dame-t15996-20.html # p357848 )

As I wrote, the metal frame of Chartres Cathedral suffers from serious corrosion problems. It will probably be redone one day, until it is processed. https://www.lemoniteur.fr/article/la-ca ... oit.663899

No titanium? It's too expensive ?

Price of titanium metal today: 5,25 € kg https://investir.lesechos.fr/cours/mati ... ,opid.html

Assuming that there are 100 tons (?) Of titanium (but maybe a lot less), that makes us a cost of 5,25 € * 100000kg = 525000 € either approximately 1 / 2000th donations ! It's probably a lot cheaper than an oak roof.
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Re: They killed Notre Dame!




by Leo Maximus » 05/05/19, 11:04

izentrop wrote:
Leo Maximus wrote:
Christophe wrote:Here are some other renovation proposals ...
This is a false debate because historical monuments must be restored identically, it is the law.
Unless the government decides otherwise https://www.studionab.fr/notredamedeparis

Notre-Dame de Paris is a historical monument. To bring these so-called innovations, it should be downgraded ... : Shock: It will not happen, especially since it is not the gvt who decides.

The architectural firms know it very well, meanwhile, they make the buzz, it was important not to miss the opportunity. Green roofs, they already do and will continue to do ... elsewhere : Cheesy: .

AMHA: Our Lady of Paris will be restored identically, but there should be something in the restoration that is visible from the outside. I'll bet on the gilding of the new arrow (it's bad taste but it's in tune with the times).
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Re: They killed Notre Dame!




by moinsdewatt » 05/05/19, 12:16

Leo Maximus wrote:

No titanium? It's too expensive ?

Price of titanium metal today: 5,25 € kg https://investir.lesechos.fr/cours/mati ... ,opid.html

Assuming that there are 100 tons (?) Of titanium (but maybe a lot less), that makes us a cost of 5,25 € * 100000kg = 525000 € either approximately 1 / 2000th donations ! It's probably a lot cheaper than an oak roof.


OK, Titanium a little cheaper than Copper. I thought more.
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Re: They killed Notre Dame!




by Leo Maximus » 05/05/19, 13:25

The oak of the Colbert forest in the Tronçais forest is surely more "ecological" than the titanium imported from China, but how sad to see all these hundred-year-old oaks felled. : Shock: :x

The Church of Our Lady of Dresden, destroyed "for fun" in 1945 by the Allied bombings, was recently rebuilt identically, as well as the buildings around:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89gli ... (1994-2005)

The Nagasaki Cathedral in Japan, destroyed by the second atomic bombing of 9 August 1945 was also rebuilt identically:
http://www.aasc.ucla.edu/cab/200708160003.html
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... oramio.jpg
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Re: They killed Notre Dame!




by izentrop » 06/05/19, 07:19

Leo Maximus wrote:Notre-Dame de Paris is a historical monument. To bring these so-called innovations, it should be downgraded ... It is not likely to happen especially since it is not the gvt who decides.
You work in which ministry to be so sure of you? because it is still the Ministry of Culture that decides last ... and as there is the issue of the Olympics behind, we will see if it is the embittered traditionalists who are right.
The Miysis project is discreet, respectful and truly innovative http://parisfutur.com/projets/renovatio ... ar-miysis/
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Re: They killed Notre Dame!




by Christophe » 06/05/19, 09:35

izentrop wrote:The Miysis project is discreet, respectful and truly innovative http://parisfutur.com/projets/renovatio ... ar-miysis/


I mentioned it above, it is also the one that I like most among those who were presented ... just a flat on the reconstruction of the arrow to the identical ...

But if what Leo says is true, all these projects have no chance of success ... It feels a little inquisition? : Shock:
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Re: They killed Notre Dame!




by Leo Maximus » 06/05/19, 10:06

France is a signatory of the Venice Charter on the restoration of historic monuments. It is an international treaty.

Not respecting the charter is sending the world a very bad message: "We, French, do not care about international treaties". With its consequences ...
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