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by Christophe » 01/12/19, 12:41

After the lie of Chernobyl, here is the (half) lie of the leaded cloud of Notre Dame, 150 kg on the 460 tonnes of lead cover that burned ... this is called a big foutage of mouth ...

Ok they admit significant uncertainty ... Ah yes 300% error ... it's a little more than significant uncertainty : Mrgreen:

After that it is true that we tolerate a spill of 5000 to 8000 tonnes of lead per year (sources: https://www.30millionsdamis.fr/actualit ... -chasseur/ et https://www.liberation.fr/france/2019/0 ... nt_1704800) in the wild for Hunting in France ... so Notre Dame next door is not much!

Don't piss off a hunter, he's better armed than you!

Notre-Dame fire: a “dynamic map” of lead level analyzes has been published

While acknowledging "significant uncertainty", the authorities estimate that some 150 kg of lead dust released into the atmosphere.


The Ile-de-France Regional Health Agency (ARS) put online on Wednesday November 27 the map of lead dust samples from the ground since the Notre-Dame fire in April, while the latest examinations of screening of children did not reveal new cases of over-contamination.

In addition to this “dynamic mapping”, there is a modeling of the plume of smoke released during the disaster, which ARS commissioned by the French Institute for the Industrial Environment and Risks (Ineris) in order to specify its trajectory towards the west and assess the amount of lead dust it may have entrained.

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While acknowledging "significant uncertainty", Ineris estimated that some 150 kg of lead dust released into the atmosphere, for some 460 tonnes of lead in the roof and spire of the cathedral. The plume stretched to Mantes-la-Jolie (Yvelines), and, in the three modeled scenarios, it was the Parisian districts or the near suburbs located on the plume path that were most affected.

The ARS had a hundred additional samples taken during November, following this modeling. In the Yvelines and Hauts-de-Seine, no measurement has exceeded 300 micrograms per square meter (µg / m2), for a “benchmark value” of 5 µg / m000, beyond which the ARS has set up targeted screenings and decontamination operations.

In Paris, all measurements were less than 1 µg / m000, except one (at 2 µg / m1). These measures "do not present any inconsistencies with respect to modeling," said Laurence Rouil, head of the Environmental Modeling and Decision department at Ineris.

The forecourt still prohibited to the public
They also confirm the initial hypothesis according to which the most significant fallout of lead took place in the area of ​​800 meters around the cathedral - not modeled by Ineris -, by projections during collapses for example, and not by smoke.

Thus the rates found on the forecourt, still closed to the public, are always high, with measures at 30 or even 000 µg / m40, said the regional director of ARS, Aurélien Rousseau. "Several cleaning campaigns have lowered these levels, but not enough," he said, noting that "the very nature of the [floor] covering makes cleaning very difficult." Movement of rubble can also lead to "re-emissions" of lead.

The reconstruction site thus remains "durably monitored", including blood lead tests for people working there, said the ARS official.

No “over-contamination” of lead children
From the fire at the end of October, 1 measurements of blood lead level were carried out on children and adolescents in the districts of Paris closest to the cathedral.

Twelve cases exceeded the mandatory lead poisoning threshold (50 micrograms of lead per liter of blood), "which remains at the level of the general population, but does not present at this stage of over-contamination", declared Mr. Rousseau. In eleven of these twelve cases, "we found a source of contamination at home", in particular due to the presence of lead in Haussmannian buildings, he specified by presenting these results to the press.

Of the 1 other biological analyzes, 060 revealed a threshold of “vigilance” requiring a six-month control of the individuals, confirming the trends previously noted.



Source: https://www.lemonde.fr/planete/article/ ... _3244.html

The map: https://santegraphie.fr/mviewer/?config ... ame_od.xml
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by GuyGadebois » 01/12/19, 13:36

Christophe wrote:After that it is true that we tolerate a spill of 5000 to 8000 tonnes of lead per year (sources: https://www.30millionsdamis.fr/actualit ... -chasseur/ et https://www.liberation.fr/france/2019/0 ... nt_1704800) in the wild for Hunting in France ... so Notre Dame next door is not much!

One more scandal accepted with the complaisance of the authorities who cajol this group of voters. We also forget the shooting ranges and clay pigeon shooting which, in addition to dumping tons of lead in nature, concentrates them!
https://www.liberation.fr/france/2019/0 ... nt_1704800
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by Christophe » 01/12/19, 13:41

Yes, but it's not the debate here ...
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by GuyGadebois » 01/12/19, 13:48

Christophe wrote:Yes, but it's not the debate here ...

Should not talk about it ... let alone put a link, then. : Mrgreen:
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by Christophe » 01/12/19, 15:14

Bin make a new subject on it ... : Idea:
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by Christophe » 20/04/20, 11:56

BFMTV broadcasts its investigation investigation 1 year later: https://www.bfmtv.com/police-justice/in ... 92937.html
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by Christophe » 20/04/20, 12:57

I looked once again there are shady elements !!! Ah ah ah !!

The conclusion is very good:

"The company in charge of the site (before the fire) was appointed to rebuild Notre Dame"

: Shock: : Shock: : Shock:
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by Did67 » 20/04/20, 15:17

Christophe wrote:... 150 kg of the 460 tonnes of lead blanket that burned ... this is called a big joke ...


Christopher !!!

Lead does not burn. He melts. And a (small) part evaporates.

See molten metal baths; galvanizing is in zinc; but hey, the molten metal does not evaporate like that! I still saw molten lead poured to seal pipes in my younger years - unprotected workers at the time!

Bringing these two numbers together makes no sense.
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by Christophe » 20/04/20, 15:44

Oh good Didi? Any material that ends up evaporating with temperature ... if I promise you!

For lead it begins to evaporate at:

Boiling temperature 1755 ° C


We may not have 1755 ° C in a structural fire (though ??) but we have melting> 800-1000 ° C (so lead is already liquid) + monstrous convections and mechanical shocks = gone droplets and micro-particles of lead ... that's for sure!

Watch the videos again ... when the arrow falls, the smoke turns yellowish !! Characteristic of lead smoke ... very disgusting !!

And then if the lead had only melted: where are the 450 tonnes of lead cast in the rubble? 450 tonnes we should see them right? How big is that? :D

And why would we have washed the neighborhood a few days later?

I saw the BMFTV documentary this morning which shows videos of the aftermath of the fire, there is no lead flow ...


Besides, the workers who worked there (lead + fine atmosphere) were better protected than the nurses fighting against the Covid !! We see them in the BMFTV video ...
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by Did67 » 20/04/20, 17:54

Certainly !

1) But your pan of boiling water, it is not empty in a few minutes ...

2) Yes, but look at a flame spectrophotometry: traces of metals color the flames; that's how we dose very very low contents.

Please note: I did not say that there is no lead that has evaporated. I just said - read again calmly and don't put too much fat, it doesn't give more value to your ideas (you can write very big bullshit with a lot of bold text!). I just said that we cannot directly reconcile these two figures (mass of lead present and mass of lead volatilized and therefore dropped ...).

Have you noticed, without quoting BFM - whose quality of 'info seems to me flawless !!! - that the metal scaffolding placed above the hearth, around the arrow it seems to me, has not evaporated! Of course, steel is not lead. The melting (and boiling) points are much higher ...

In short, it does not seem "automatically obvious" to me that any the lead has evaporated. Without denying that part of it has been (never "flip" just a sentence - that doesn't make sense!). But I am no expert in metals. Not being competent, I would leave it there. It was just a passing remark.
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