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Re: The dispossessed ecologist




by Exnihiloest » 11/05/21, 17:29

AD 44 wrote:
Exnihiloest wrote:I'm responding "a little" late, sorry.


A little late ? Two years later !

I stumbled upon it again by chance, I shouldn't have been available at the time to continue the discussion.

It is no longer a response, but a stimulus to rekindle disagreements.

A trial of intent as silly as it is gratuitous.
Obviously, the one who wants controversy is AD44.
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by Exnihiloest » 11/05/21, 17:46

From what I understand from quite a few previous answers, no environmentalist here is taking advantage of the system. Everyone therefore lives in autarky, growing their production or devoting themselves to breeding. We only have bourgeois gentlemen farmers here with a well-sized plot of land, of an area that is surely incompatible with the area of ​​the country if each Frenchman had to have the same.

Or it is that the fruits, the vegetables, the meat which they eat arrive by an operation of the Holy Spirit in the plates of our middle-class ecologists.
No one has grown them with polluting agricultural machinery to make and use.
No one transported them in motorized vehicles to the point of sale where they allegedly bought them.
Our ecologists do not subscribe to any electricity supplier (I suppose they pedal).
The water they use and drink is only rainwater, certainly not that which electric motors pump up in water towers.
No one has manufactured the PCs or the computer networks that our ecologists use to tell us that they do not take advantage of the system, they arrived at home by spontaneous generation.

The green is neither a profiteer nor a polluter. The profiteers, the polluters, it's only the others!
It's crazy to have to ask the question, but, does an honest ecologist exist?
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by Exnihiloest » 11/05/21, 18:01

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:... people were swinging everything out of train windows (for example), swinging everything in nature but what they were swinging was 100% biodegradable. Bottles were glass and returnable, food was bought and eaten in disposable banana leaf or other containers. When I returned 30 years later, the customs were exactly the same, only the bottles were plastic and the food was served in plastic containers as well, all wrapped in bags of the same material ... of course, their way of life had not changed but its impact was totally different and by taking the train, I could see plastic fires all over the view.

All this is paid for:
India: 0,7 hospital beds / 1000 inhabitants (France: 7 beds, or 10 times more!)
India: 32% of lung patients in the world (without COVID), especially because of pollution (we throw anywhere, we burn anyhow, even in the city).
India: 85% of Indians do not have a single room (which explains the runaway COVID).

Between India and Europe, there is no picture. A high standard of living, even though it is important in terms of resource extraction (but it can be recycled), is always preferable, except for the Malthusians.
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Re: The dispossessed ecologist




by Flytox » 12/05/21, 00:12

Exnihiloest wrote:From what I understand from quite a few previous answers, no environmentalist here is taking advantage of the system. Everyone therefore lives in autarky, growing their production or devoting themselves to breeding. We only have bourgeois gentlemen farmers here with a well-sized plot of land, of an area that is surely incompatible with the area of ​​the country if each Frenchman had to have the same.

Or it is that the fruits, the vegetables, the meat which they eat arrive by an operation of the Holy Spirit in the plates of our middle-class ecologists.
No one has grown them with polluting agricultural machinery to make and use.
No one transported them in motorized vehicles to the point of sale where they allegedly bought them.
Our ecologists do not subscribe to any electricity supplier (I suppose they pedal).
The water they use and drink is only rainwater, certainly not that which electric motors pump up in water towers.
No one has manufactured the PCs or the computer networks that our ecologists use to tell us that they do not take advantage of the system, they arrived at home by spontaneous generation.

The green is neither a profiteer nor a polluter. The profiteers, the polluters, it's only the others!
It's crazy to have to ask the question, but, does an honest ecologist exist?


What emerges from your answers is that each time you "break" the green with amalgamations, abusive generalizations and other gratuitous assertions that you cannot support. Who said on this site that it applies all the "good" ecological principles flawlessly? What has on the other hand been written many times, is that we try on the whole to do better in a system which does not lend itself much to it, but with which we compose, by looking for a "good" exit. to complex problems and interactions that are not easy to manage.

Are you an honest green heist? Not looking is no. Are there honest and uncorrupted green heist? We cannot dismiss this theoretical possibility, well, there is not much on this site. : Mrgreen: : Wink:
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by Exnihiloest » 12/05/21, 19:37

Flytox wrote:What emerges from your answers is that each time you "break" the green with amalgamations, abusive generalizations and other gratuitous assertions that you cannot support. Who said on this site that it applies all the "good" ecological principles flawlessly? ...

It's called "resistance". And it is not "free", see all the references that I have provided demonstrating the fable of global warming or the counterproductive effects of green measures. It is well founded. It is a resistance in the face of a real political danger, I would like moderate environmentalists to understand it and stop systematically defending their fundamentalists.

You should look in your camp, where it is the industrialists or the farmers, who are systematically "broken", and those who defend them called rotten, auxiliaries of Monsanto, sold to the oil industry, I happening and worse.

You will note that I have never criticized the sloths in their vegetable gardens, they act in accordance with their ideas. When I see the environmentalists saying less unscientific bullshit, doing less catastrophism, admitting out of intellectual honesty that the current "system" has advantages which they also enjoy, when I see them stop wanting to order everything, ban everything, tax everything , claiming to be the only ones to have concern for future generations, and when I finally see them getting involved, proposing and not imposing operational and practical solutions, and going green rather than the politics of demolition , I will no longer see them as intolerant doctrinaire, and I will change my tone. I leave you free of yours, I await the reciprocal.
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by Flytox » 12/05/21, 22:30

Exnihiloest wrote:
Flytox wrote:What emerges from your answers is that each time you "break" the green with amalgamations, abusive generalizations and other gratuitous assertions that you cannot support. Who said on this site that it applies all the "good" ecological principles flawlessly? ...

It's called "resistance". And it is not "free", see all the references that I have provided demonstrating the fable of global warming or the counterproductive effects of green measures. It is well founded. It is a resistance in the face of a real political danger, I would like moderate environmentalists to understand it and stop systematically defending their fundamentalists.


So "resistance" means defending the indefensible with force and perseverance to the point of ridicule?
For "free" it will be interesting to know who pays you and how much always to defend the indefensible and "your" phony theses.
The political danger is that irresponsible people like those in your camp will continue to destroy the biosphere at high speed by trying to make people believe that everything is going very well Madame la Marquise. It is high time to do nothing and let the system do its work.
The problem is that moderate capitalism has not yet been invented and that your fundamentalists are far too close to their profits are legion. It's hard to respect those who hit you every day ....

Exnihiloest wrote:You should look in your camp, where it is the industrialists or the farmers, who are systematically "broken", and those who defend them called rotten, auxiliaries of Monsanto, sold to the oil industry, I happening and worse.

To go faster in the enumeration, name me industrialists or farmers who absolutely did not deserve their opprobrium.

Exnihiloest wrote:You will note that I have never criticized the sloths in their vegetable gardens, they act in accordance with their ideas.

Damn !!!, what to let go .... : Mrgreen:

Exnihiloest wrote: When I see the environmentalists saying less unscientific bullshit, doing less catastrophism, admitting out of intellectual honesty that the current "system" has advantages which they also enjoy, when I see them stop wanting to order everything, ban everything, tax everything , claiming to be the only ones to have concern for future generations, and when I finally see them getting involved, proposing and not imposing operational and practical solutions, and going green rather than the politics of demolition , I will no longer see them as intolerant doctrinaire, and I will change my tone. I leave you free of yours, I await the reciprocal.


One of your favorite formulas, drool over the green people for free without tangible proof and this with arguments that can be directly turned against those of your camps:

When I see the savage capitalists saying less unscientific bullshit, doing less anesthesia, admitting out of intellectual honesty that the current "system" has drawbacks that they also take advantage of (you're in the same sinking boat), when I will see stop wanting to order everything, allow everything (when it comes to destroying everything), financialise everything, claiming to be the only ones to have the concern for human benefits before future financiers, and when finally I see them put their hands to the dough, to propose and not impose operational and practical solutions so as not to disappear from the biosphere, and to make soft and respectful pragmatic capitalism (a whole program : Mrgreen: ) rather than the policy of demolishing the biosphere, I will no longer see them as intolerant and toxic doctrinaire, and I will change my tone. I leave you free of yours, I do not expect reciprocal, it's your job to pollute this site.
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Re: The dispossessed ecologist




by A.D. 44 » 13/05/21, 03:11

Exnihiloest wrote:when I see them stop wanting to order everything, ban everything, tax everything, claiming to be the only ones to have concern for future generations, and when I finally see them getting their hands dirty, proposing and not imposing operational solutions and practices, and doing ecology rather than the politics of demolition, I will no longer see them as intolerant doctrinaire


when they think like you ...

you will agree with them eventually.
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by Janic » 13/05/21, 07:56


love of money ... selfless! : Evil:
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by Exnihiloest » 13/05/21, 19:57

AD 44 wrote:
Exnihiloest wrote:when I see them stop wanting to order everything, ban everything, tax everything, claiming to be the only ones to have concern for future generations, and when I finally see them getting their hands dirty, proposing and not imposing operational solutions and practices, and doing ecology rather than the politics of demolition, I will no longer see them as intolerant doctrinaire


when they think like you ...

you will agree with them eventually.


So it is not me who wants them to think like me, but them, who would like me to think like them, and as this is not the case, he imposes their whims on me by force, like the ban on glyphosate or plastic straws.
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by Janic » 13/05/21, 20:19

exbidule
So it is not me who wants them to think like me, but them, who would like me to think like them, and as this is not the case, he imposes their whims on me by force, like the ban on glyphosate or plastic straws.
we recognized you abc, take off your mask! :D it's not me, it's them! : Evil:
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