The universal basic income or income: operating debate

[Ahmed]

Of course, Pétrus, as you have understood, I do not in any way defend the ultra-liberal model, I wish on the contrary to warn against one of its tricks, knowing well that certain aspects of the UK are attractive.
You write:

... it seems that the dogma of work is even more difficult to criticize.

The concern is that all the forces of the left have rallied to the celebration of the work that it opposes to capital, while these are two capitalist categories and that we can only get out of the domination of the second in also opposing the first; to image, they are like two sides of the same coin.
Further:

... but there are still some who call me with a local number and without accent, a total relocation would facilitate filtering, I am therefore for

Technical tips make it possible to display a local bogus number, even if the call comes from abroad, so there is little hope on this side!
And even:

Current social inequalities make me think that there is a "small" room for maneuver.

Certainly, but this inequality of living conditions is only the expression of the growing inequality of the balance of power which does not manifest itself, as the democratic facade suggests, by a question of number ...
From a more theoretical point of view, the growth of high wages is perfectly compatible with the fall in profit rates, especially if we specify that the generalized competition between those who try to sell their labor power on a market in constriction, there is added, if one can say, the competition of implicit workers located in an imaginary future and who nevertheless generate very substantial gains in the financial industry, to the point of constituting the engine of the whole 'economy. These "potential" workers should not be confused with some virtual employee who is currently in the news ...

[chatelot16]

socialists really have the art of sabotaging ideas, like calling a cat a rabbit!

the only advantage of true universal income is that the more you work the more you earn without stumbling on a certain threshold

but according to hamon it is still conditioned to an income ceiling ... so same problem as the rsa with just a different ceiling

[phil53]

I am rather for a UK given to all without trying to understand but in return we remove all the structures becoming useless. Pole emploi, aloc, purses, help of all kinds with the services and the forms which go with it.
Those who have too much give it back through taxes.

[Ahmed]

It is very dangerous "not to try to understand", as you assert, Phil53, because the UK should not be viewed as a "weightless" measure, ie independent of current social factors. The balance of power being what they are at a given moment, the UK could only be a means of destroying current social assistance in order to then be able, when it would have been deemed appropriate, depending on the evolution of social relations, remove this measure altogether. That is to say that the UK, granted (possibly) by the dominant agents of the system as a tool for crisis management, would be abolished as soon as it no longer served their interests ...
As long as we are inside a system, whatever it is, any measure relates to it and is part of its logic: this is easily seen in the citizen movements of the syriza type, podemos, where the displayed radicalism is denied in government practices.

[sen-no-sen]

Universal income: what does Benoît Hamon's measure really look like?

This is one of the flagship promises of Benoît Hamon: to establish a universal income for existence to eradicate extreme poverty. Initially announced as an income of 750 euros monthly paid to all French people without means test, the socialist candidate for the presidential election finally revised his copy somewhat and specified the outlines of this measure which he intends to put in place. several times.

Concretely, if the winner of the Belle Alliance Populaire primary is elected next May, he plans to implement the payment, from January 1, 2018, of a universal existence income (RUE) to all French people from their majority until their retirement. Two conditions to receive this income: no longer be attached to the tax sheet of his parents and not receive more than 1,9 times the minimum wage (Smic) monthly. This corresponds to 2.812 gross, or 2.185 euros net.
Couples could benefit from the EU if the sum of the two incomes is less than 3,9 times the minimum wage. Once set up, 19 million French people could benefit from the RUE, or almost 30% of the population, without being forced to look for a job or training.
Automatic payment

If the candidate initially mentioned a universal income of 750 euros monthly paid to the entire population without means test, the measure, as Benoît Hamon mentioned on Thursday March 16 when presenting his program, is slightly different. But that is not to say that we can talk about coaster or even development. Indeed, the PS candidate plans to implement his flagship measure in several stages.

As of January 1, 2018, a maximum of 600 euros will be paid monthly to each French person over 18 years of age and not retired, who receives less than 2.185 euros net per month. We are talking about maximum amount because it will be declining according to income. Positive point: the candidate promises an automation of the payment to avoid, as is the case today for certain social benefits, that people who can claim it do not ask for it.

To extend this income to the entire population (minors and retirees), Benoît Hamon intends to launch "a major social conference" to rule on the issue during the five-year term. The idea of ​​a universal basic income paid to all French people without means-testing, as was initially presented by the candidate, however seems quite remote but rather relegated to discussions which should take place before the end of the next five-year term.

http://www.rtl.fr/actu/politique/revenu-universel-a-quoi-ressemble-reellement-la-mesure-de-benoit-hamon-7787708560

[Ahmed]

What says Hamon don't interest me much, at least much less than any comments from you ...

[sen-no-sen]

What says Hamon don't interest me much, at least much less than any comments from you ...

Insofar as Benoit Hamon is the only one to offer the UK among the selected candidates it seems interesting to follow its (very possible) strategy for setting up the system.
Recall that Christine Boutin had proposed the "universal dividend" in 2003 and did not find much echo at the time, we can therefore see that the idea is gaining ground and that within a short decade the concept should probably "colonize" spirits.

[Christophe]

Good analyzes to read http://www.latribune.fr/economie/union- ... 40704.html

[Ahmed]

Certainly an article full of good intentions, but the argument is not very convincing, especially because of its implicit presuppositions and also of its artistic vagueness on the framework of these measures.

[Christophe]

Feedback: http://www.lemonde.fr/revenu-universel/ ... 70036.html

The UK is felt as a psychological freedom ... and that's worth all the gold in the world for creativity, the development of humanity (in both directions) and human happiness!

They test the basic income: "I felt the freedom that was going to happen"

Brigitte, Denis and Caroline were drawn to participate in the first citizen experiment: they will receive 1 euros per month for a year.

They did not believe it at first, they who “never won anything”. Until seeing the first amount appear on their bank account, at the beginning of January: 1 euros. A sum which will be paid to them every month for a year, without consideration, and which they can use as they wish. On December 000, Brigitte, Denis and Caroline * were drawn from among 6 subscribers to participate in a first citizen experiment on basic income, this idea that was centuries old and hotly debated during the presidential election. At the origin of this initiative, a small association, My basic income, which collected enough to finance these three incomes thanks to a crowdfunding operation on the Internet.

When they have just received their first allowance and are starting to project themselves, the three beneficiaries have agreed to share their feelings and their questions.

When he heard the news, Denis felt he could "breathe again" for the first time in a long time. "I felt the freedom that was coming," describes the single 14-something who was "no longer used to having a choice of life." "Because I tasted the bottom of the social system," he says hoarsely. A carpenter since his XNUMX years, Denis came to settle in the countryside in New Aquitaine for work. But a year and a half ago, "after years of trying too hard", back pain forced him to stop working. "From there on, it was a tumble. "

Denis does not have the means to take care of himself, even less to replace his old vehicle which has just dropped, making it impossible to travel for the training offered by Pôle emploi, more than 30 kilometers from his home ... His rent and his bills are getting harder to pay, debts and bailiff letters are piling up and his owner threatens to evict him ... "After a while, you let go," he says. And times are hard to get up on your own. He recounts the "meetings between the poor at the Resto du Coeur", his accommodation "which is leaking everywhere", his jeans and his perforated sneakers. And the gradual confinement in poverty, "to the point of losing all self-esteem".

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