Strategy for manipulating the population and opinion in 10 rules

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Re: Strategy for manipulating the population and opinion in 10 rules




by Janic » 19/08/21, 14:42

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look at the case fatality rates of countries that have vaccinated and countries that have not vaccinated, you will see that the correlation exists, contrary to what you claim.
and as the vaccinators say: correlation is not causation. Since the start of vaccines, vaccine specialists have been talking about a correlation between vaccine and epidemic drop, but have never succeeded in proving it, so no causation. But you the fortiche in stats you are going to dismantle that for us, finally!
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by ABC2019 » 19/08/21, 14:50

Janic wrote:abcon
look at the case fatality rates of countries that have vaccinated and countries that have not vaccinated, you will see that the correlation exists, contrary to what you claim.
and as the vaccinators say: correlation is not causation.

I answer Raqjawee who says that there is no correlation with R, to tell him that there is a correlation with the case fatality rate - and of course the case fatality rate translates directly into the number of deaths .

For causality, I'll let you give us your explanations on the cause of this correlation.
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by reinoso » 19/08/21, 14:51

ABC2019 wrote:

blatant JOGGER-style lie - or quote a single post that showed this?


if you don't see any lessons quickly consult an ophthalmologist

if you still have a minimum of visual capacity (and not intellectual, unfortunately lost for a very long time) you can
consult this document:

https://criigen.org/lettre-a-charlie-ce ... -des-cons/
this is a summary of everything that has been said here
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by Rajqawee » 19/08/21, 14:53

ABC2019 wrote:so what? if it does not work because it is not applied correctly, it does not call into question the principle of the double blind experiment.

look at the case fatality rates of countries that have vaccinated and countries that have not vaccinated, you will see that the correlation exists, contrary to what you claim.
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take a tour of the Antilles and you will have the answers to your questions;

We never talked about the case fatality rate there. I've said it from the start: the vaccine prevents death and severe forms. It is not surprising to see its effects on lethality by vaccinating people who have these forms the most. We are talking about contagion.

The same goes for the West Indies. If the population at risk on site is not vaccinated, it makes perfect sense. I question the usefulness in epidemic management of going to vaccinate the general population - including those for whom severe forms are extremely rare -, or even to impose this vaccination.
And again ... because in India they are not vaccinated, but they also do not die. Once again, we do not understand everything.

Always the same: we talk about contagion, we are told that "where it is not vaccinated, they die!". And when we say "but ... not many people die in France", we are told again about contagion.

I do not understand, but really do not understand, the almost systematic desire to want to defend French strategy body and soul.

Ps: I remind you all that I am vaccinated (1 dose and then 2 at the end of the month) because I work in the hospital, so I have to. So I'm going to have a health pass and all the rest, but that doesn't prevent me from finding it stupid, inhuman, and discriminating.
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by ABC2019 » 19/08/21, 15:19

reinoso wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:

blatant JOGGER-style lie - or quote a single post that showed this?


if you don't see any lessons quickly consult an ophthalmologist


this is not an admissible answer, I am not asking to cite other sources, I am asking in which of my posts is that I have told a lie.
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 19/08/21, 15:25

The last one already. Finally, the one above ... otherwise you just have to draw at random.
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by ABC2019 » 19/08/21, 15:25

Rajqawee wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:so what? if it does not work because it is not applied correctly, it does not call into question the principle of the double blind experiment.

look at the case fatality rates of countries that have vaccinated and countries that have not vaccinated, you will see that the correlation exists, contrary to what you claim.
[...]
take a tour of the Antilles and you will have the answers to your questions;

We never talked about the case fatality rate there. I've said it from the start: the vaccine prevents death and severe forms. It is not surprising to see its effects on lethality by vaccinating people who have these forms the most. We are talking about contagion.

The same goes for the West Indies. If the population at risk on site is not vaccinated, it makes perfect sense. I question the usefulness in epidemic management of going to vaccinate the general population - including those for whom severe forms are extremely rare -, or even to impose this vaccination.
And again ... because in India they are not vaccinated, but they also do not die. Once again, we do not understand everything.

if it is to repeat that it depends on several things, we agree, I said the same. But the vaccination rate is one of those things. Not the only one, but it is.

Always the same: we talk about contagion, we are told that "where it is not vaccinated, they die!". And when we say "but ... not many people die in France", we are told again about contagion.

no, we are talking about the case fatality rate. All other things being equal, vaccination slows progression and decreases case fatality. We can reduce the number of deaths by means other than vaccination, of course. Moreover, this is what we did in 2020, we managed to stop 2 waves without vaccination. But with more restrictive measures.
Ps: I remind you all that I am vaccinated (1 dose and then 2 at the end of the month) because I work in the hospital, so I have to. So I'm going to have a health pass and all the rest, but that doesn't prevent me from finding it stupid, inhuman, and discriminating.

I have had my two doses for a month, I do not see what is stupid, inhuman, and discriminating to be better protected against a disease, to have less risk of infecting someone, and of be able to do whatever I want once I show a QR code on my cell phone.

Do you find it stupid, inhuman, and discriminating, to have to be vaccinated against yellow fever to be able to go to certain countries?
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by ABC2019 » 19/08/21, 15:27

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:The last one already. Finally, the one above ... otherwise you just have to draw at random.

well, pick at random and copy the lie, since it's so easy to do.
Which one "above"? you can't say what's wrong with what I'm saying, Mr. "almost 100%"?
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by Rajqawee » 19/08/21, 15:30

ABC2019 wrote:no, we are talking about the case fatality rate. All other things being equal, vaccination slows progression and decreases case fatality. We can reduce the number of deaths by means other than vaccination, of course.

Ok. But we already get this result by vaccinating only those most at risk. No need to go and vaccinate others to obtain this result, nor to impose it, nor to have a health pass.
ABC2019 wrote:Moreover, this is what we did in 2020, we managed to stop 2 waves without vaccination. But with more restrictive measures.

Is that so. We will have to get out of the sources of the effectiveness of social and political measures then, and explain to us why certain specialists dispute their usefulness ....
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 19/08/21, 15:32

(Gnégnégnagna, you're not even heading, eh, sir "practically 100%" ... where does the clown think he is? : Shock: )
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