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Re: Patent the living




by Exnihiloest » 08/03/20, 21:16

Ahmed wrote:You write:
... it is indeed a lamentable practice which tends to spread. Any system must always be hijacked by crooks ...

The system is in no way diverted, except in the theoretical form that it takes for self-justification purposes. These processes are completely consistent with the purpose of the companies, because it is not on their ethics that they are judged by the market, but on their balance sheet.

The patent of invention is a protection for inventors established by the company with in return the obligation for him of public disclosure of the said invention, because the company knows that these inventions can be useful and that in addition the inventor does not necessarily have the means of production but must be able to profit from it.
The company has made provision that if the inventor does not use his process within 3 years of filing a patent, he is obliged to assign a license to whoever requests it. We are in a spirit where the invention must be used and served. The purpose of companies using patents is to produce. Buying a patent without the intention of realizing the products or methods of the invention is therefore a hijacking of the system, in the same way as speculation is a hijacking of the financial system. This drift with patent "portfolios" seems relatively recent to me.
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by GuyGadebois » 08/03/20, 21:17

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by Ahmed » 08/03/20, 21:32

The purpose of companies, whether or not they use patents, is to produce abstract value, however they do it, and obviously they are often forced to produce concrete goods or services, which is enough. to delude superficial observers. The development of the financial industries is the most striking illustration of this and should open the eyes of the most naive: because of the growing difficulty in profitably investing the enormous accumulation of abstract value, it was the only solution available. Speculation is therefore not a "hijacking" of the financial system, but rather a new phase revealing the functioning and the deep purpose of this system.
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by GuyGadebois » 08/03/20, 21:36

Ahmed wrote:The purpose of companies, whether or not they use patents, is to produce abstract value, however they do it, and obviously they are often forced to produce concrete goods or services, which is enough. to delude superficial observers. The development of the financial industries is the most striking illustration of this and should open the eyes of the most naive: because of the growing difficulty in profitably investing the enormous accumulation of abstract value, it was the only solution available. Speculation is therefore not a "hijacking" of the financial system, but rather a new phase revealing the functioning and the deep purpose of this system.

Make money at any cost. Indeed, this is why the pharmaceutical industry has given up putting on the market non-patentable and therefore unprofitable natural molecules which are nevertheless very effective against certain cancers. This shows whether this industry is philanthropic and human!
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by Ahmed » 08/03/20, 21:43

"Making money at all costs" involves a value judgment applied to economic agents, yet the latter only conform to the determinisms of the system: we cannot therefore blame them. What must be condemned is only the cause of these systemic determinisms which apply to everyone and therefore also to those who do not or have difficulty in complying with these economic criteria.
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by GuyGadebois » 08/03/20, 21:45

Ahmed wrote:"Making money at all costs" involves a value judgment applied to economic agents, yet the latter only conform to the determinisms of the system: we cannot therefore blame them.

Except when they kill. Or else, the death of innocent people (avoidable outside this race for profit) is an integral part of the "determinism of the system", in which case it must be changed urgently and by all means, even the most virulent.
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by Exnihiloest » 08/03/20, 21:46

Ahmed wrote:The purpose of companies, whether or not they use patents, is to produce abstract value, however they do it, and obviously they are often forced to produce concrete goods or services, which is enough. to delude superficial observers. The development of the financial industries is the most striking illustration of this and should open the eyes of the most naive: because of the growing difficulty in profitably investing the enormous accumulation of abstract value, it was the only solution available. Speculation is therefore not a "hijacking" of the financial system, but rather a new phase revealing the functioning and the deep purpose of this system.

I have never bought "abstract value" from a company, but "concrete goods or services", yes. I have my feet on the ground, not lost in disheveled economic theories. Finance is not production, and patents are about production. Any other use is therefore a diversion. That bad practices are the daily reality today is no more proof of a system made for this purpose, than the fact that a football player simulates a fall which would be caused by his opponent is proof that the regulation of the matches would be made for this purpose.
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by Ahmed » 08/03/20, 21:52

As I wrote, you are free to limit yourself to a purely phenomenological analysis (what things seem as they appear to be), in which case the underlying mechanisms will necessarily escape you, by definition ...
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by Exnihiloest » 08/03/20, 22:10

We already discussed this, remember. Your repository is the economy. But there are underlying mechanisms that are not related to the economy and that I can as easily as you did, claim that they will escape if you reduce everything to the mechanisms of the economy. One has the impression that you forget that all this is the work of humans.
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by Ahmed » 08/03/20, 22:22

It is not my repository, but the one that necessarily imposes itself. There is no doubt that this is the work of humans, but not the simple simplistic aggregation to which you want to unduly reduce the phenomenon. It is obviously easier to support this kind of thesis than to take into account the complexity of reality: this is your competitive advantage! However, although it is men who are the original cause, the abstract value (which you can easily boast of having never encountered since it is, by definition, not concrete) presents itself as a fetish to which its creators owe allegiance, therefore as if it were independent in nature (which it is de facto when hypostasiated in this way).
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