All my excuses

[humus]

….a procedure by which decisions are made. This is not an opinion…. .

I mix because it is mixed.
In a democracy, it is the opinion of the majority that wins, so opinion is essential and consequently the level of information is absolutely essential!
If the information is false or biased, "democratic" decisions are M…. in bar.
Whether in direct or representative democracy.
"enlightened" = good level of information, ie honest and complete.

stating a truth does not necessarily mean that we have or need a solution. .

Because you don't really and seriously take ownership of the issues you discuss.
A serious person faced with a problem, he seeks solutions.
In fact you blablate to pass the time, to keep you busy, right?

For example if I say that everyone is going to die, it's a truth and there is no "solution" to that as far as I know. .

But what a...
There is no solution to make the world sustainable perhaps?

Then I never said that you shouldn't work to improve things, and in the event of inevitable decline, try to make it as painless as possible. I don't see where you see that I would have said that. I just said that I didn't understand what you were proposing YOU, it's not the same: starting with the very simple question, in relation to the natural decrease in the availability of fossils, you propose to accelerate it or to try to slow it down? it is still an important basic question, so it is unfortunate that you are not clear on this point.

because if you say that the decay of fossils will be at the cost of enormous suffering, then to decay even faster, it seems to me that that will cause even more suffering.

Okay, you're not responding to my comments.
For me, you are just scrolling and on the other hand you are asking new questions to deviate from the subject and possibly try to corner me on a new subject (as if I had to have the answer to everything to satisfy Mr., when you have the perfect right to think for yourself ).
The fact that you don't answer isn't what I call an honest exchange, so I don't care. We will cut.

You will notice that I do not scroll, I answer you on the energy:
Energy is essentially used to make transformations, either of activity, or of material growth, or in the end financial growth . This is the only goal of capitalism, financial growth and secondarily to satisfy people.

In a "stable" or "sustainable" system, with equal comfort, there is less need for energy.
In practice, it would surely be necessary to lower the level of comfort of some for it to be really durable.
The tribes in the Amazon will not have to descend from living comforts.
There is necessarily a lasting compromise between these 2 comforts of life.

When a direction of society is chosen in conscience, it happens better than when it is undergone in a chaotic way.

So much for your childish nonsense and it's over with you, I have to do and you are not honest in the exchange, you do not appropriate the problem, you never propose anything, the only intention that you bring out is to want to corner the other.
The problem is that it shows...
I call that a pest.
Kisses anyway.

[Exnihiloest]

...Infinite growth in a finite world is not possible...

Obviously, we can even set an excess expiry date: the age of the universe at its thermodynamic death.

Your speech, which we find among many anti-capitalist and anti-growth activists, is a big joke. You claim that "infinite growth in a finite world is not possible", but you don't believe it, you spend your time trying to fight it. If it is not possible, then let it die a beautiful death!
But you know very well that it is false, and so do I, as I have already explained to you. Nothing "grows" except human progress, knowledge and technology. And these domains do not imply any growth of material means, but only their transformation, which can be infinite.

[humus]

...Infinite growth in a finite world is not possible...

Obviously, we can even set an excess expiry date: the age of the universe at its thermodynamic death.

Your speech, which we find among many anti-capitalist and anti-growth activists, is a big joke. You claim that "infinite growth in a finite world is not possible", but you don't believe it, you spend your time trying to fight it. If it is not possible, then let it die a beautiful death!
But you know very well that it is false, and so do I, as I have already explained to you. Nothing "grows" except human progress, knowledge and technology. And these domains do not imply any growth of material means, but only their transformation, which can be infinite.

I'm not going to go over point by point, I'm sticking to the essentials, that will answer the rest

Nothing "grows" except human progress, knowledge and technology. And these domains do not imply any growth of material means, but only their transformation, which can be infinite.

Let's admit, with what resources (materials), with what energy and in what quantity do you maintain capitalism?
I apologize but who is high?

[Exnihiloest]

...
Let's admit, with what resources (materials), with what energy and in what quantity do you maintain capitalism?
I apologize but who is high?

The energy of fusion first, and for materials transmutation or other planets, secondly. Unlike yours, my vision is a few decades away, and not defeatist because of some passing problems of the time, energy or environmental.

[humus]

...
Let's admit, with what resources (materials), with what energy and in what quantity do you maintain capitalism?
I apologize but who is high?

The energy of fusion first, and for materials transmutation or other planets, secondly. Unlike yours, my vision is a few decades away, and not defeatist because of some passing problems of the time, energy or environmental.

Here I am reassured

[izentrop]

...
Let's admit, with what resources (materials), with what energy and in what quantity do you maintain capitalism?
I apologize but who is high?

First, the energy of fusion...

Here I am reassured

fusion energy is currently a utopia, capitalism is one that works and wanting to eradicate it is one too... https://blogs.mediapart.fr/mouais-le-jo ... fonctionne

Afterwards, you have to know if you prefer a meritocratic capitalism, framed, redistributing to the weakest, leaving access to information to all, or another locked, benefiting only a handful of oligarchs as in Russia.

[Obamot]

1) Are you for Putin then, since he “de-oligarchizes” Russia? (...and Ukraine in stride!) It is obvious that you are aware!

2) You didn't want to write “rather a meDIOCraCic capitalism? Don't you remember the pharmas with the vaccine mess?

meritocratic capitalism,

my ass (not among employees it's peanuts... except a Buddhism based on the market economy, but even there it squeaks!)

But it's good, continue with your clichés, you give credit to the rest penis

[humus]

First, the energy of fusion...

Here I am reassured

fusion energy is currently a utopia, capitalism is one that works and wanting to eradicate it is one too... https://blogs.mediapart.fr/mouais-le-jo ... fonctionne

Afterwards, you have to know if you prefer a meritocratic capitalism, framed, redistributing to the weakest, leaving access to information to all, or another locked, benefiting only a handful of oligarchs as in Russia.

Capitalism works as long as we are within the framework of its basic axiom:
“Natural wealth is inexhaustible, because otherwise we would not get it for free. Unable to be multiplied or exhausted, they are not the object of economics.
This axiom clearly shows the aboveground side of capitalism.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Bapt ... naturelles
Once out of the conditions stated in this axiom, the utopia of capitalism is flagrant and this, for any type of capitalism, since capitalism = growth.
It's not about eradicating capitalism, it's going to die one day leading to billions of lives, it's about building a sustainable alternative BEFORE.
The rejection of capitalism is simply to raise awareness that something else is needed, finally, for those interested in reality and LIFE

[ABC2019]

Here I am reassured

fusion energy is currently a utopia, capitalism is one that works and wanting to eradicate it is one too... https://blogs.mediapart.fr/mouais-le-jo ... fonctionne

Afterwards, you have to know if you prefer a meritocratic capitalism, framed, redistributing to the weakest, leaving access to information to all, or another locked, benefiting only a handful of oligarchs as in Russia.

Capitalism works as long as we are within the framework of its basic axiom:
“Natural wealth is inexhaustible, because otherwise we would not get it for free. Unable to be multiplied or exhausted, they are not the object of economics.
This axiom clearly shows the aboveground side of capitalism.

well no, economics is not capitalism. There is a Marxist economy (which by the way does not really consider the problem of finite resources either).

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Bapt ... naturelles
Once out of the conditions stated in this axiom, the utopia of capitalism is flagrant and this, for any type of capitalism, since capitalism = growth.

well, there have also been countries under capitalist regime without growth, and Marxist regimes with growth - and besides, that was just as much a goal displayed by the socialist bloc as by the West. The difference (at least theoretically) between the two systems was not in the presence or absence of. growth, everyone wanted it, but in the distribution of its profits.

[Obamot]

Capitalism works as long as we are within the framework of its basic axiom:
« Natural resources are inexhaustible, because otherwise we would not get them for free. Unable to be multiplied or exhausted, they are not the subject of economics »
This axiom clearly shows the aboveground side of capitalism.

well no, economics is not capitalism. There is a Marxist economy (which by the way does not really consider the problem of finite resources either).

AND B00000OOM! ...and a sophistry pan in our mouths, a....


(I didn't go any further in the face of so much emptiness...)