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Re: my apologies




by Remundo » 06/04/22, 11:20

humus wrote:
Remundo wrote:in green right-wing environmentalists are a rare species.

it's not from today.

There are, supposedly, but it's impossible except to be schizophrenic.
Always for the same reasons: right-wing or even socialist, or even green like Jadot : Mrgreen: , it is to accept capitalism, therefore to accept that financial growth rules the world.
I imagine that I don't need to go further so much me and others have harped on it, we are faced with an insoluble contradiction.

We must not equate right and capitalism.

The small entrepreneur of the "patriotic patrimonial right" has neither the same values ​​nor the same objectives as the boss of a globalist multinational.

And small entrepreneurs, it takes a lot to give work, including to communists and other revolutionaries.

There are a few communist-style companies (SCOP and others), they can even be interesting, but imagine that they must also generate profits... and not pass them on to their competitors!
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by humus » 06/04/22, 11:27

Remundo wrote:Life is made up of exclusions and privileges and they are necessary for the development of organized and liveable Societies.

Let's say that we are starting from afar, we have cultivated exclusion and privileges for so many centuries, that many have integrated it as normal, as unsurpassable, and I would venture to say, that we find there a lot of people of the right, who are afraid of losing their privilege (small or large) or aspire to have one.
Order is an important concept, they want the established order to remain, too bad for the others, they just had to work.

I feel deeply Gaul who does not tolerate unequal treatment. (unlike the Anglo Saxons, see E.Todd)
Of course we are all unequal (one stronger, the other smarter, etc) but in my opinion society must treat everyone equally and it starts with the basics: living conditions.
Liberty equality fraternity, it's stupid but I believed in it. : Lol:
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by humus » 06/04/22, 11:40

Remundo wrote:We must not equate right and capitalism.

I'm not trying to stigmatize anyone.
in a capitalist system, everyone is a capitalist. With my booklet A, I hope for an interest : Lol: so I'm hoping for growth somewhere in the company.
I say that the right does not question the capitalism system and according to my perception, the plebiscite. (socialism ditto)
Do not then complain about the consequences of the system that we support.
: Arrow: collapse, inequalities etc.



Remundo wrote:There are a few communist-style companies (SCOP and others), they can even be interesting, but imagine that they must also generate profits... and not pass them on to their competitors!

Yes, yes, because of the system in which we are, it is absolutely necessary to make a profit, or die.
Personally I "accept" it by force of circumstance since I hadn't planned to die these days, but deep down I don't accept being forced to make a profit (grow), since that leads to destruction. of the planet.
economic stability or decline should not be the norm, it is imposed by the system.
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by Remundo » 06/04/22, 11:41

well you see, we manage to discuss.

That in itself is a victory :)

it's all about balance... excess leads to disaster. In reality, you need a society that stimulates individual initiative, and for that you need a reward that goes through Capital.

But we also need a Society that maintains safety nets: this is the Social.

Finally, a National Authority is needed to watch over Public Services (the Sovereign) and the higher interests of the Country: this is Strategy (economic, industrial, foreign affairs, etc.), which comes under Sovereignty (monetary, productive, legal. .).

It's basically Gaullism. And ALL parties without exception should comply. It is indeed necessary nowadays to integrate environmental issues into Gaullism (access to renewable energy, sobriety, respect for the environment, etc.).

Personally, I am for a Government of National Sovereign Union. But my opinion, of course, counts for little.
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by Obamot » 06/04/22, 11:56

humus wrote:All my excuses,

I admit, I didn't really follow the "political" subjects of the forum, the fault of occupations and good weather : Mrgreen: , I did not understand that the forum veered severe to the far right.
What trapped me is the title econology, with the emphasis on ecological sensitivity and I sometimes thought the ironic expression on certain subjects but no, obviously everything is to be taken at face value on:


Z, Putin, stigmatization of the physique of LFI members coughed.
I just tilted, I thought I had nothing to do on a particular subject but I clearly have nothing to do on the forum in general.

My apologies again for this confusion. : Oops:

So good paving to hell in spite of you and kisses.
And here is an umpteenth attempt of this irrepressible need to want to shoot ego cover for you...

You're completely dropped in the priorities and realities of the political world (which imposes itself on us, it's not a silly truth) the landscape has completely changed (big gap from Mélanchon to Le Pen... ) part of the electorate (formerly on the left...) who votes for the right... The left-wing candidate Macron, who pursues a purely fascist policy and confiscates power... The centre-right (from the extreme who does not dare to appear? => Pécresse) we lose our Latin!

And reading you, you understand damn it. It's not a problem...
Your adrenaline is not the “content” that matters to you (where you hold the “truth”) your dope is “the connection" : Mrgreen:
And you raise yourself as a model of virtue by speaking”of empathy while you thoroughly insult your neighbor and accuse him of being corny.

So you will excuse me maaaaaaiiis.... VTFF : Mrgreen:
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by humus » 06/04/22, 12:17

Remundo wrote:well you see, we manage to discuss.

That in itself is a victory :)

Yes, but as Desproges said, not with anyone! : Lol:

Remundo wrote:it's all about balance... excess leads to disaster. In reality, you need a society that stimulates individual initiative, and for that you need a reward that goes through Capital.

It is this logic (natural when the world is limitless) of rewarding something more that today is leading us to disaster.
I don't know how you situate yourself in relation to everything that is collapse (resources, biodiversity)?

The logic of the reward by a more quantitative and tangible, must give way to a reward by a more of another order (honour? recognition? ..???)
I don't know, but you have to find something other than the quantitative, unless you show me that the collapse is an illusion.
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by Remundo » 06/04/22, 12:27

I didn't say it should be limitless.

The rewards are certainly not exclusively monetary, but it is difficult to buy something otherwise...

For resources, many of them are not mobilized (I am thinking especially of renewable energies, solar power in mind), or else mobilized as waste (manufacturing 4X4s for the city, flying by plane to land your Q in the Seychelles).

The collapse is above all that of the human species.

For biodiversity, there is a collapse, it's true, but I can't help it.
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by humus » 06/04/22, 12:28

Obamot wrote:And here is an umpteenth attempt of this irrepressible need to want to shoot ego cover for you...

He's jealous, how cute.

Obamot wrote:You're completely dropped in the priorities and realities of the political world (which imposes itself on us, it's not a silly truth) the landscape has completely changed (big gap from Mélanchon to Le Pen... ) part of the electorate (formerly on the left...) who votes for the right... The left-wing candidate Macron, who pursues a purely fascist policy and confiscates power... The centre-right (from the extreme who does not dare to appear? => Pécresse) we lose our Latin!

I'm not dropped so much that it saddens me to the highest degree to see all these people stray into dead ends.
I am not the only one in this state. Finally here, maybe so.


Obamot wrote:And you raise yourself as a model of virtue by speaking”of empathy while you thoroughly insult your neighbor and accuse him of being corny.

I don't claim to be a saint, or even that it exists.
Out of spite, I end up insulting the blind people who persist in staying in the dark, then I leave but no luck, there are still civilized people here. : Lol:
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by humus » 06/04/22, 12:37

Remundo wrote:I didn't say it should be limitless.

The rewards are certainly not exclusively monetary, but it is difficult to buy something otherwise...

For resources, many of them are not mobilized (I am thinking especially of renewable energies, solar power in mind), or else mobilized as waste (manufacturing 4X4s for the city, flying by plane to land your Q in the Seychelles).

The collapse is above all that of the human species.

For biodiversity, there is a collapse, it's true, but I can't help it.

If we start on the basis of a pecuniary egalitarian system, the reward will have to be different, or learn to do without it, that is to say to reward ourselves. : Arrow: The pleasure you feel in accomplishing a task.
I believe you're a teacher, I guess one of the greatest rewards is seeing the twinkle in a student's eye, rather than the paycheck at the end of the month?

Sorry, I'm cutting, at the table! : Lol:
I see that even when you are a little far from my observations/concerns, I am surprised.
"The world after", it's not going to be easy : Lol:

Enjoy your meal!
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by Christophe » 06/04/22, 13:02

humus wrote:All my excuses,

I admit, I didn't really follow the "political" subjects of the forum, the fault of occupations and good weather : Mrgreen: , I did not understand that the forum veered severe to the far right.
What trapped me is the title econology, with the emphasis on ecological sensitivity and I sometimes thought the ironic expression on certain subjects but no, obviously everything is to be taken at face value on:


Z, Putin, stigmatization of the physique of LFI members coughed.
I just tilted, I thought I had nothing to do on a particular subject but I clearly have nothing to do on the forum in general.

My apologies again for this confusion. : Oops:

So good paving to hell in spite of you and kisses.


You must not have analyzed or understood what we are saying...we are fighting (well, not all of them are corrupt here) against the only real far-right measure : health and above all vaccine passes...based on scientific fraud and political corruption!

Your LFI foal, Mélechon sac à foutre, is to pick up the unvaccinated at home! It's a big odious "socialist" crap...

So who are the real fachos? : Lol: : Lol: : Lol:
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