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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by izentrop » 10/06/22, 03:20

ABC2019 wrote:
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ABC2019 wrote:I haven't seen any that say (proving it) that the variations are "exclusively" related to CO2.
Not exactly in those terms, you're right. posting.php?
oh yes, in computers, the variation is only due to CO2, but that's just because computer models don't include spontaneous variations well, the origin of which is not well understood. .. ;)
Says the Holocaust denier who has understood better than expert climate scientists.

I put the link on the projections based on the IPCC SR15 https://www.carbonbrief.org/explication ... nt-nulles/
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by ABC2019 » 10/06/22, 07:05

izentrop wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:
izentrop wrote:Not exactly in those terms, you're right. posting.php?
oh yes, in computers, the variation is only due to CO2, but that's just because computer models don't include spontaneous variations well, the origin of which is not well understood. .. ;)
Says the Holocaust denier who has understood better than expert climate scientists.

no, says the scientist who knows what a computer model is, who knows the physical principles of climatology, and who has read what climate experts really say instead of making it up for ideological reasons.
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Janic » 10/06/22, 07:32

what a pleasure to see the two bouzo puffing their noses, it changes us a little! : Cheesy:
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Obamot » 10/06/22, 13:52

Janic wrote:what a pleasure to see the two bouzo puffing their noses, it changes us a little! : Cheesy:

Yes, yes, their egocentrisms of woodlice because of them : Mrgreen:
You saw how everything they believed in is falling apart: dazzling, hallucinating, dripping :| : Mrgreen: :|
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Ahmed » 11/06/22, 09:32

Some, rightly, have noted the objectively polemical character of the title of this thread. That its author, customary of the fact (Cf., number of threads of the style: "Cold record at Gros Guilly sur le Bedon"), does not perceive this trait only underlines its devolution to an unconscious ideology. From inaccurate presuppositions, one necessarily ends up with flawed conclusions, whatever the rigor of the logic deployed for this purpose.
We will take a look at this quietly.
First of all, from a formal point of view, it is an abuse of language to speak of humanity in the singular: it is a methodological fault to reduce all humans to the only category that has been shown willing and able to impose its way of life on, of course, almost all the representatives of this species. We will have recognized there the Western male, white and colonialist (had he been female, black and African, that would not have changed anything, simply it is a fact). The separation between nature and man is another abuse (see below). On the other hand, there is no need to proclaim this creed loud and clear, insofar as it has been the norm since at least the "Enlightenment" of which it constituted the underlying content, as a condition for the reduction of things to simple means and animals/humans to things. This claimed humanism being only the presentable form of "restricted" anthropocentrism...
Basically, there is no need to dwell on this auto da fé, but rather on what motivates and determines it. As rightly noted Janic, monotheisms have "prepared the place" by making Man a hybrid creature, since it is metaphysical (which makes the anticlericalism of Tryphon): one leg on the side of the animals, the other on the side of God. Everything else at his disposal and this reduction to the rank of means was necessary for the expression of the fundamental determinism: the maximization of the dissipation of energy. The scam being that it is a "mechanical" ruse of thermodynamics: to make people believe in the omnipotence of Man by assuring him some notable advantages in a first phase, which cannot last indefinitely since this is not the purpose in question. Many are now convinced of this, even if it is often in a somewhat approximate way and it is therefore only very recently (even if it has always been present during "progress", but in a carefully concealed way) that a reaction manifested through a concern for the preservation of nature and living conditions on Earth. Awareness of new magnitude, unfortunately recovered in a new revival of energy dissipation (via exponential economism) of the so-called "ecological transition". Ah, determinism when you hold us! :x
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Forhorse » 11/06/22, 13:07

That's good, Defakator has just released a video on social networks. A passage of the video is dedicated to these people who spend their time launching always identical subjects.
it's this way :
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Ahmed » 11/06/22, 13:58

I don't know what your video says (too long for potential interest), but this is probably not the way to approach the case of strong ideological convictions and especially since they are not felt as such by their followers: normal, they are internal to the system that generates them; thus, the rotation of the Earth is not directly perceptible to us and we think we are immobile...
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Forhorse » 11/06/22, 14:08

I do not want to change the beliefs of the author of this topic.
He himself knows he's talking shit, he's here to lobby.
The video is for others, potential visitors (because all the regulars know the fanatic) so that they learn to be wary of this kind of message.
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Ahmed » 11/06/22, 16:09

If in doubt or unable to decide with certainty, let us grant him the grace of sincerity, which in this case would be more serious than simple lobbying...
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Re: Getting out of the idolatry of nature and the contempt of humanity




by Obamot » 11/06/22, 20:15

But is it not via the artifice of anthropocentrism and of his own deceptions that “human communities” are guided in deterministic systems and cross the threshold of transgression towards its different vectors? Afterwards, we can always establish a sort of chronological test between them, but they can be mixed up because there is not necessarily any hermeticity between the beliefs:

Thus certain fictions, certain “deterministic systems“, can cohabit with others! By way of example (in no particular order):
— the original “sin” (transcribed in the sense of “consumption”, Janic will complain ^_^ ...apologies);
— sects (do not complain) : Cheesy:
— politics that tends towards indoctrination (and not liberation through collective effort);
— the ruse of thermodynamics (as you express it? Or the individual faced with a fait accompli...?);
— the recurring question of “job” (I mean subject to consumption... men have not always 'worked';
— supply VS demand;
— the continuation of the money VS debt paradigm (money creation and all that revolves around it);
— the connection between the “market” and a pseudo “New World Order”);
— xenophobia, even and especially going back to slavery(*) which only offers a single reading of “reality”... (and brings us back to fictitious values ​​and eventually brings us back to the whole?) .

The fictitious values ​​that make humans become “objects in material and temporal shift”, lead us to understand the constraints linked to the plunder of energy resources, which escape us but which betray a part of this anthropocentric behavior, just as with the contempt for the world of those who are the object of it and with whom they interact without understand finitude.

In short, the transgression seems to have become a kind of “dictatorship of the norm** through which determinism is expressed (governments appeal to McKinsey and then tell us “that there is no other way to reform”) ...and that which directs the ball, is a factory of impostures!*** Which makes us slaves.
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* (In the fictional novel “Beloved” by T. Morrison, everything is thought-provoking, bordering on the extremes, since the character of the Novel ends up choosing the absolute end of killing his kids... I say that because the constraints of the system must manage to push a lot of them to such extremes, though no end is final... the prevailing determinism is powerful!)

All this context, leads to see the nightmare of slavery from the inside, as sometimes in 'the gears of the economy'.


** I quote Roland Gori
***I quote Roland Gori again
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