Education, Education to do what?

[Flytox]

See https://www.econologie.com/education-nat ... -4365.html ou http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlzniw ... ion_webcam

Addition by Christophe: another small video to see, on the French national education (social abuses): https://www.econologie.com/crise-de-la-d ... -4384.html ou http://vimeo.com/user8485244/greve-du-2 ... population

[Christophe]

The first 2 minutes I like already well! To put also in the subject https://www.econologie.com/forums/les-lacune ... 10049.html

Seen on the news yesterday: currently in France there is a test of deletion of grades in primary ... note replaced by ... 4 color points in an evaluation grid (for each duty) and a follow-up of its progression by the student himself ...

Uh in the genre why make it simple when you can do complicated ... I ask the national educ!

I would like to see what the report cards will look like ... no points ... surely closer to the Christmas tree than the report card ...

[Christophe]

About the "success" of national education, here is a survey (self-satisfaction ...) on engineers in France: http://www.emploi-pro.fr/article/une-gr ... -4200.html

Funny because behind this almost idyllic picture, in reality it seems to me much less rosy ... many engineers that I know have not succeeded in "fitting in" an engineer position (or very with difficulty or by doing full of concessions) ...

Some, like me, had to retrain ...

A big survey of engineers

For a week, Emploi-Pro publishes a survey of the world of engineers. Recruitment, salary, working conditions, better courses in France and abroad, career strategy. All you need to know about the world of engineers will be reviewed.

Difficult to pity the engineers. They are the "favorite" companies and recruiters. Male and female, they appeal to in-laws and leaders. In addition, in a society that lacks benchmarks, they are the guarantors of French know-how. What better than a Polytechnician in a family or an organization chart.

With 60 000 recruitments planned in 2011, engineers are also an important caste of the world of managers. This represents hiring almost a frame on 4. High level hires who are expected to climb the hierarchies of companies. They are found at the highest level of Cac 40 companies. We pay them handsomely (52 000 euros of median salary in 2011 when that of executives is 33 037 €) and everything suggests that the French and European economy will not be able to do without these specialists of the technique that occupies positions management.

"When will they sound the alarm? "

The horizon is totally clear for this staff. However, here and there, warning signals start to flash. In the world rankings of the best engineering schools, we find that French courses are lagging behind. "French engineers are colossi feet of clay, anonymous, anonymous, an officer of a company ... engineering. They are pampered in France, pampered, nursed. Then, at the slightest problem or during an experiment abroad, all this organization going from the prepas classes to the reserved posts in the industry or in the high state spheres, is cracked quickly. The kings are then quickly naked. So there are problems in the world very protected engineers. Some are wondering how to develop careers of experts. Others, overloaded with work, between two reports, feel that all this does not make much sense anymore. "Some engineers believe that they no longer have the time to work properly," explains Laurent Mahieu, deputy secretary general of CFDT Cadres and a member of the Commission des titres d'ingénieurs. When will they sound the alarm? The older generations were silent about the worries. But the news is expressed much more. These are all aspects that will be analyzed. Good reading.

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[Macro]

I would like to see what the report cards will look like ... no points ... surely closer to the Christmas tree than the report card ...

Ben, already with numbers it's not sad..In the college of minimacros, teachers are no longer control (it takes time to correct) but are constantly balancing questionnaires on 5 points..Bilan races, all the kids have 15 on 20 average in the end..When the 3 / 4 are not able to align 4 words without doing 10 faults, or intelligently read a page of a scrooge page or magazine

Their notes are similar to a payroll in francs..Bravo sir you won 6500francs ... The cow is a lot!

What am I going to be able to afford with all this

[Christophe]

Ah too good the "breaking point" test (presented at the end of the video, here is the utube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1LRrVYb8IE ) so the more we go to school the more we become "stupid" ... (in the sense of "creativity") ... or rather "formatted" with a single thought ... (which one? It depends on the country *)

It's been a while since I had some certainty about it!


* In this regard I spoke recently with a thirty-year-old Albanian, who was educated under the communist area.

His knowledge of geography (raw data on countries in the world) is far superior to ours, "Westerners" ... a downside all the same: he exaggerated the figures concerning the USSR (we had to check on wiki). .surely a bit of Soviet propaganda in there!

[sen-no-sen]

Laszlo Polgar psychologist and father of Susan, Judit and Sofia Polgar all three among the best chess players in the worlds (Judit is the best player of the 21 centuries), demonstrated the possibility of making any child a genius.
He wrote the book Bring Up Genius!, demonstrating that genius would be acquired rather than innate, by means of the right methods.

One of the first steps he took was to take his daughters out of school ...

[dedeleco]

demonstrated the possibility of making any child a genius ...
genius would be acquired rather than invented, by means of the good methods.

is certainly an illusion, because our abilities vary greatly from one individual to another at the innate level, for example for the music, where without certain innate capacities, in the ears and the brain, one will never become a Mozart !!
I'm not good at music and even with a father playing the violin, giving me a violin, my good will, I just cut the violin, and admire the violinists for their ability to quickly put their fingers to the good place, given my total inability to realize that the note was a bit false !!

Same for spelling with a dyslexic !!

Also, the innate is also essential, with a very random genetic component !!
The super intelligent autistics on certain specific activities, without correct teaching, prove it totally !!

Otherwise, we could make even a monkey awesome !!

It is certain that we are very different from each other, and that the teaching must have methods adapted to each one, favoring the gifts and helping on the difficulties, instead of smothering uniformly !!
It is extremely difficult to achieve !!

[sen-no-sen]

is certainly an illusion, (...)

It is certain that we are very different from each other, and that the teaching must have methods adapted to each one, favoring the gifts (...).

This is exactly what he wanted to demonstrate, with a suitable method, and after discovering the innate gifts, any child can become a genius.

Otherwise, we could make even a monkey awesome !!

No need, they already are!

[manet42]

Seen on the news yesterday: currently in France there is a test of deletion of grades in primary ... note replaced by ... 4 color points in an evaluation grid

My children have experienced this or almost, 4 levels A, B, C, D. There were even C + and C-, and even averages .... It came from the INRDP (National Institute of Educational Research, I believe).
System later abandoned like many reforms (they had even known so-called modern maths).
This time with medium colors will make us new art.

any child can become a genius.

I do not believe it, and is it really necessary for a child to become a genius? A happy living thing should be enough!

JC

[Christophe]

Moue but be careful because apart from failures they know what to do in real life these geniuses?

National education also (especially?) A role of socialization ...

Some parents who withdraw their children from school do not serve them for their future social life ...