Collapsology ... kezako?

[Christophe]

Vincent Mignerot, Jean-Marc Jancovici, Arthur Keller and Marc Muller demonstrate in turn that the collapse of thermo-industrial society is inevitable because of our dependence on fossil fuels and especially oil. https://yggdrasil-mag.com/blog/actualit ... fondrement

So we must quickly thank Putin!

Because demonstrations are good… practice is better…

[izentrop]

And for you, no doubt that the 100 million barrels of oil consumed per day can be replaced by electricity??

"draule of preaching"

it seems to me, however, that this is what the IPCC and the Paris agreements say, that we could do without fossils almost completely at a very low cost to the economy, or again would I have misunderstood?

Probably...
It's just one of the easiest levers to stop emitting deadly "Greenhouse Gases", but since at the same time public opinion does not want nuclear as a transition and the techniques for storing renewable energies are practically non-existent.
CO2 storage techniques and geoengineering will never be perfected in time.

Consequently, the IPCC mainly recommends the sobriety

4 – Sobriety is essential to the climate transition
the IPCC insists, and this is a novelty in this report, on the notion of sobriety and on the need to control our production and our consumption (of energy, resources, space, etc.) in order to limit our gas emissions greenhouse gases and the degradation of our ecosystems.
5 – We will have to radically transform our energy systems
It is therefore urgent to limit the use of these polluting energies. To stay below 1.5 degrees of warming, we should therefore reduce our use of coal, oil and gas by around 95, 60 and 45% respectively by 2050.

https://youmatter.world/fr/resume-rappo ... giec-2022/

So we must quickly thank Putin!

To hasten the fall to hell, indeed

[ABC2019]

Consequently, the IPCC mainly recommends the sobriety

4 – Sobriety is essential to the climate transition

it is certain that a good recession leads to sobriety ... good but it would still be necessary to explain a little more clearly what "sobriety" means: is it necessary to lower the GDP and by how much or not ?

when you say that fossils are "deadly", can you quantify the link a little better, for example between life expectancy and the use of fossils? because at first sight, it seems rather positive...

https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$model ... les&url=v1

in short, all this is very confusing, when you listen to Jancovici, on the one hand he says that all industrial civilization is based on fossils and that we will not be able to replace them, and on the other hand that they absolutely must to delete ! if we have to suppress industrial civilization to preserve it, there is still a contradiction, isn't it?

[Ahmed]

This is the Jancovician paradox in all its splendour: it is necessary, out of necessity, to get out of what made industrial society possible (which has absolutely positive connotations for him) and find a trick (or a series of tricks, let's be fair) for the maintain though...

[humus]

It's all about measurement...
A little energy a bit of industry
It pays to choose your industries wisely

[ABC2019]

It's all about measurement...
A little energy a bit of industry
It pays to choose your industries wisely

it is precisely this "measure" which is not at all clear. If we remove the fossils, and replace them with alternatives (nuclear, solar, hydrogen, whatever), what does that mean, in order of magnitude? an almost total collapse, or a few inconveniences manageable with a little good will? or even nothing at all and continued economic growth?

the least we can say is that it is the great vagueness on this subject, so much the various speeches are contradictory between them - including when they are held by the same people.

[izentrop]

that we replace them with alternatives ... hydrogen

The worst greenwashing, but which nevertheless has the support of politicians and the people, given the aura of "clean energy" (amen).

While the detrimental effect induced by hydrogen on methane and ozone in the troposphere – the lowest layer of the atmosphere – was already known, “we have now also considered, for the first time in our calculations of the GWP of hydrogen, the hitherto ignored influence of this gas on the water vapor and ozone present in the stratosphere" explain the authors of the report, scientists from the National Center for Atmospheric Sciences and the universities of Cambridge and Reading. “We now estimate that the GWP of hydrogen for a 100-year period averages 11, i.e. it is 11 times more harmful to the climate than carbon dioxide (CO2)”

https://www.revolution-energetique.com/ ... le-pensait

In min coin, a company specializes in the transformation of buses to hydrogen. Yeah, you have to try to catch up on the waste of energy from wind turbines.

Come on, let's continue to subsidize bullshit, like that in 30 years we will have exhausted all solutions to get humanity out of .... whatever you want.

[ABC2019]

Come on, let's continue to subsidize bullshit, like that in 30 years we will have exhausted all solutions to get humanity out of .... whatever you want.

give us your solution then!! your ideal society, how much CO2 per capita would it produce, how much energy per capita, and what average GDP per capita?

it looks like you want to sell something, but when you open the catalog, there's nothing in it...

And before you take us out on nuclear power, a little reminder: all of the reserves of U235 represent only 10 years of world consumption, and no breeder reactor program carried out by the most technologically developed countries has been able to lead to a industrial exploitation... so I'm not telling you for the others.

[izentrop]

https://m.facebook.com/YggdrasilMagazine/

[sicetaitsimple]

And before you bring out nuclear, a little reminder: all U235 reserves represent only 10 years of world consumption,

It's wrong. Or source?