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Re: After Coronavirus




by Grelinette » 21/06/20, 21:09

Christophe wrote:
GuyGadebois wrote:AHAHAHAHAH !!!! :(
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Good article I had not anticipated that ... the article seems alarmist all the same ...

Then 11 to 12 nuclear reactors ???

And where do they want to find them ???? : Shock: : Shock: : Shock:

Certainly this little virus has effects on many things, and that in just 2 months of a simple "slowdown" of our activities!
This shows how fragile our entire economy is and can collapse because of a simple very limited slowdown (2 months), not to mention the Charles-de-Gaulle aircraft carrier put in dry dock because of the virus.

What are we still going to learn from the unexpected effects of this virus? ...

(I'm sure we're going to be told that the coronavirus is the real culprit in the Fillon, Balkany, Carlos Ghosn, Griveaux cases, and maybe Rugis, Kahuzac, and Fukushima! ...)

Each passing day brings us its share of surprises!
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by gegyx » 28/06/20, 10:20

Fortunately, the linky was installed! : Mrgreen:
It will allow automatic cuts at night without warning ...

So the linky is the programmed consequence of the corona ... Image
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by GuyGadebois » 28/06/20, 14:13

Christophe wrote:106249463_10223493647108336_6776601585391078542_n.jpg

No need for containment to realize this, ITER was enough:
ITER, technology imagined in the 50s and 60s, we already know that it doesn't work *, so we know in advance that it won't work. Remains the financial chasm, 4 times the initial budget (for the moment thanks to the delay) that taxpayers will fill once again at the expense of hospitals, maternity hospitals, crèches, schools, postal agencies and wages of the people who really serve something, and the risk (not insignificant, even very likely) that it will blow us up ...

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But one can find a host of examples that highlight this enormous injustice.
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by GuyGadebois » 30/06/20, 14:02

Naomi Klein: “Don't let the web giants take control of our lives!”
Distance education, 5G, telemedicine, drones, widespread online commerce… The “New Digital Deal” that the giants of Silicon Valley promise us to face the risk of pandemic threatens our democracies deeply, worries Naomi Klein in this article published by the investigation site The Intercept. For her, far from the high-tech dystopia that is offered to us, on the contrary, we must rethink the Internet as a public service at the service of citizens.


On May 6, for a fleeting moment during the daily “coronavirus point” of New York governor Andrew Cuomo, the sinister mines that have populated our screens for weeks have given way to what looked like a smile. "We are ready, we are clogged," he proclaimed. We are New Yorkers, we are fighters, we want it… We realize that change is not only imminent, but that it can be positive if we do it right. ”

The source of these unusually positive waves was an appearance by video interposed of the former director general of Google, Eric Schmidt, who joined the press point of the governor to announce that he had just received the mission to take the direction of a group of experts tasked with inventing the post-Covid future in New York State [the epicenter of the Covid-19 epidemic in the United States], with a focus on the systematic integration of technology in all areas of local life.

"The priority, said Eric Schmidt, is telemedicine, distance education and very high speed ... We must look for solutions that we can offer now, implement them as soon as possible and use of this technology to improve the situation. ” For those who still had doubts about the intentions of the former boss of Google, we could see behind him two golden angel wings in a frame.

The day before, Andrew Cuomo had announced a similar partnership with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, aimed at bringing about a “connected educational system”. Andrew Cuomo explained that the pandemic had opened “a historic window for the integration and promotion of ideas [by Bill Gates], calling him“ visionary ”. “All these buildings, all these classrooms, what is the point with all the technology we have at our disposal?” he asked. A seemingly rhetorical question.

Life-size experiment

It took a bit of time, but something that looks like a pandemic version of “shock strategy” is starting to take shape [according to Naomi Klein's “shock strategy” proponents of capitalism take advantage of major disasters to push through ultra-liberal reforms]. Let's call it the “Digital New Deal” [on the model of the New Deal, the interventionist policy of President Roosevelt launched in 1933 after the crisis of 1929, and of the “New Green Deal”, defended by part of the American democrats]. Much more technological than anything we have seen after previous disasters, the model to which we are heading at full speed, while the carnage continues, considers these few months of physical isolation not as an evil for a good (saving lives), but as a life-size experiment making it possible to envisage a future without long-term and very lucrative contact.

Anuja Sonalker, general manager of Steer Tech, a Maryland-based company that designs automatic parking software, recently summarized the new, revised and corrected Covid-19 pitch:

“There is a clear craze for contactless technologies that do not go through humans. Humans represent a biological risk. Not the machine. ”

It is a future in which our homes will never again be completely private spaces but will also serve, thanks to all-digital technology, as a school, a medical office, a gym and, if the State so decrees, from prison. Obviously, for many of us, the home was already an extension of the office and our first place of entertainment even before the pandemic, and the follow-up of inmates in an open environment [thanks in particular to the electronic bracelet] was being generalized. The fact remains that, under the effect of the ambient frenzy, all these trends should experience a meteoric acceleration.
It is a future in which, for the privileged, almost everything is delivered to their homes, either virtually thanks to the cloud and streaming, or physically thanks to autonomous vehicles and drones, then “shared” by screen interposed on a social network. It is a future that employs far fewer teachers, doctors and drivers. Who does not take cash or credit card (on the pretext of avoiding the spread of viruses). Where public transport and live entertainment are reduced to their simplest form.


It's a future that claims to work thanks to “artificial intelligence”, but which in reality holds thanks to the tens of millions of anonymous employees who toil away from view in warehouses, data processing centers, content moderation platforms, electronics factories, lithium mines, giant farms, meat processing companies, and prisons, vulnerable to disease and overexploitation. It is a future in which our smallest gestures, our least words, our least interactions with others can be geolocated, traceable and analyzed thanks to an unprecedented collaboration between the State and the digital giants.


If this table seems familiar to you, it is because this same future, where everything is driven by applications and based on precarious jobs, was already sold to us before the Covid-19 in the name of fluidity, comfort and customization. But many of us were already worried. About the safety, quality and inequality problems posed by telemedicine or distance education. About the autonomous car, which risked mowing pedestrians, or drones, which risk damaging packages (or injuring people). About the geolocation and the dematerialization of the means of payment, which were going to deprive us of our private life and reinforce ethnic and sexual discrimination. About unscrupulous social networks that pollute our information ecology and the mental health of our children. About “smart cities” riddled with sensors that replace local authorities. About the “good jobs” that these technologies were going to make disappear. About the “bad” they were going to produce on the chain.

But, most of all, we are concerned about the threat to democracy posed by the accumulation of power and wealth by a handful of digital giants who are the kings of evasion, discarding their responsibility in the desolate landscape that they leave behind them in the sectors they have taken over, whether it be the media, commerce or transport.


That was in an ancient past: it was in February. Today, most of these legitimate concerns are swept away by a wind of panic [caused by the pandemic], and this dystopia is being given an express makeover. Today, against the background of a carnage, we are sold with the suspicious promise that these technologies would be the one and only way to protect us from pandemics, the sine qua non of security for our loved ones and ourselves. Thanks to Andrew Cuomo and his various partnerships with billionaires (including one with the former mayor of New York and billionaire Michael Bloomberg on screening and tracing), New York State is showcasing this future that makes cold in the back - but ambitions extend far beyond the borders of any American state or country.

The interests of Eric Schmidt

Everything revolves around Eric Schmidt. Long before Americans opened their eyes to the threat of the Covid-19, Eric Schmidt was waging an aggressive lobbying and communications campaign aimed at promoting this vision of the “Black Mirror” society that Andrew Cuomo had just allow to put into practice. At the heart of this vision is a close association between the state and a handful of Silicon Valley giants - under which public schools, hospitals, medical offices, police and the military will outsource (at great expense) a good part of their core business to private technology companies.


It is a vision which Eric Schmidt promotes to the presidency of the Defense Innovation Council, which addresses opinions to the Pentagon on the development of artificial intelligence in the army, but also to the presidency of the powerful National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence, the NSCAI, which advises Congress on “advances in artificial intelligence, machine learning and related technologies”, to meet “national security requirements and economic of the United States, especially the economic risk ”. Both bodies include many Silicon Valley industry captains and senior executives from companies such as Oracle, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook and, of course, Eric Schmidt's former colleagues at Google.

As president, Eric Schmidt, who still holds more than $ 5,3 billion in stock at Alphabet (Google's parent company), as well as substantial stakes in other companies in the sector, leads what looks like a Washington extortion campaign on behalf of Silicon Valley. The number one objective of the two organizations [the Defense Innovation Council and the NSCAI] is a skyrocketing public expenditure in the field of artificial intelligence and in the infrastructures necessary for the deployment of technologies such as 5G - investments that would directly benefit companies in which Eric Schmidt and other members of these bodies have so many balls.

First exposed during in camera presentations to parliamentarians, then in articles and interviews intended for the general public, the main idea of ​​Eric Schmidt's argument is that the dominant position of the United States in the global economy is directly threatened by China's policy of spending sparingly to acquire high-tech surveillance infrastructures - allowing Chinese companies like Alibaba, Baidu and Huawei to pocket the benefits of their applications commercial.

The war against China

The Information Center on Computers and Freedoms recently had access, thanks to a request filed under the Access to Information Act, to a presentation given by the NSCAI by Eric Schmidt in May 2019 [available online]. We discover there a series of alarmist assertions, in particular on the fact that China's rather lax regulatory framework and its excessive taste for surveillance allow it to overtake the United States in a certain number of fields, in particular “intelligence artificial in the service of medical diagnosis ”, autonomous vehicles, digital infrastructures,“ smart cities ”, carpooling and paperless payment.

The reasons cited [by the NSCAI] to explain this competitive advantage of China are manifold, starting with the considerable number of consumers who buy online, "the absence of a traditional banking system in China", which allowed Beijing to bypassing cash and credit cards to create “a gigantic market for electronic commerce and digital services” thanks to “dematerialized payment”, but also a serious shortage of doctors which has led the State to collaborate closely with companies like Tencent to use artificial intelligence for the benefit of “predictive” medicine.

The presentation also noted that Chinese companies

“Have the ability to quickly break through regulatory barriers, as US initiatives get bogged down in the HIPAA [compliance with medical records confidentiality] and approval procedures of the Food and Drug Administration [the agency health and food security] ”.


But the NSCAI mainly explained this competitive advantage by public-private partnerships that China is not asked to sign in the areas of mass surveillance and data collection. The presentation highlighted the “strong involvement of the Chinese state, for example in the deployment of facial recognition”. She clarified that “surveillance is a natural client for artificial intelligence”, and further that “mass surveillance is one of the key applications of deep learning [deep learning, on which facial recognition is based] ”.

One of the pages of the presentation, entitled “Data collection: surveillance = smart cities”, noted that China, thanks to Alibaba - Google's main Chinese competitor - was racing ahead. Which is interesting, because Alphabet, the parent company of Google, sells us precisely the same thing through its subsidiary [devoted to urban innovation] Sidewalk Labs, setting its sights on downtown Toronto to establish its prototype of “smart city”. Only here, the Toronto project has just been abandoned after two years of repeated controversies related to the gigantic volume of personal data that Alphabet would collect, the absence of safeguards protecting the privacy of the inhabitants and the questionable advantages for the city as a whole.

Five months after this presentation, in November 2019, the NSCAI delivered a preliminary report to Congress in which it sounded the alarm: the United States had to catch up with China on these controversial technologies. "We are in a situation of strategic competition," insisted the report, obtained by the Information Center on Information Technology and Freedoms under the law on access to information. “Artificial intelligence is a central issue. The future of our national security and economy depends on it. ”
Push the State to invest massively
At the end of February, Eric Schmidt decided to direct his campaign towards the general public, perhaps understanding that the massive investments that his commission demanded would not be approved without strong support.

In a column published by the New York Times [on February 27] titled “I was the boss of Google: China could pass Silicon Valley”, Eric Schmidt called for “unprecedented state partnerships and the private sector ”and, once again, raised the threat of the yellow danger:“ Artificial intelligence will push the boundaries in all areas, from biotechnologies to banking services, and is also a priority for the defense sector ... If the current trend continues, China's total investment in research and development could exceed that of the United States in ten years, or about the time when its economy should overtake ours. Unless we reverse this trend, we would find ourselves in the 2030s in competition with a country which has a more powerful economy, which invests more in research and development, which therefore has better research, which deploys more new technologies, and which has a more solid IT infrastructure. In short, the Chinese intend to become the leading innovation force on the planet, and the United States is not giving itself the means necessary to beat them. ”

The only solution, for Eric Schmidt, would be a massive public investment campaign. Thanks thanks to the White House for having asked for the doubling of the funds allocated to research on artificial intelligence and quantum computing, he wrote: “It would be advisable to double again the funding granted to these fields in order to reinforce the institutional capacities of laboratories and research centers… At the same time, the Congress should satisfy the President's request to review upwards (in unprecedented proportions for seventy years) the credits allocated to defense research and development, and the Department of Defense should leverage these resources to build state-of-the-art capabilities in artificial intelligence, quantum computing, hypersonic and other priority technology areas. ”

It was exactly two weeks before the Covid-19 epidemic was raised to the level of a pandemic, and Eric Schmidt nowhere mentioned that this all-out development of high-tech was aimed at protecting the health of Americans . We were only told that it was necessary to avoid being overwhelmed by China. But, of course, the speech would soon change.

During the two months that followed, Eric Schmidt applied himself to put the finishing touches to the requests previously formulated - massive increase in public spending in favor of research and technological infrastructures, multiplication of public-private partnerships in the field of artificial intelligence. , relaxation of a large number of safeguards used to ensure our security and protect our privacy. Today, all of these measures (and many more) are sold to us as the only hope of guarding against a virus that is expected to continue to rage for years.

In the name of the fight against the Covid-19?

The digital giants with whom Eric Schmidt maintains close ties and who populate the influential advisory boards he chairs have all repositioned themselves to appear now as the guardian angels of public health and the generous lauders of the “everyday heroes” without whom the economy is not spinning (many, like delivery drivers, would lose their jobs if these companies succeed).

Less than two weeks after the start of confinement in New York State, Eric Schmidt published [March 27] another column in the Wall Street Journal in which he announced this change of foot and clearly relayed the intention of Silicon Valley to take advantage of this crisis to introduce lasting changes. “Like other Americans, the players in the new technology sector are working to play their role in supporting those who are fighting on the front line against the pandemic… But the question that all Americans must ask themselves is the following: what do we want we think this country looks like once the pandemic is behind us? How can emerging technologies that are being used to deal with the crisis bring about a better future? Companies like Amazon have real expertise in supply and distribution. In the future, they will have to provide services and advice to politicians who do not have the necessary IT systems or expertise. Distance education, which had never been experienced on such a scale, should also be developed. The Internet removes the requirement of physical proximity, which allows students to follow the lessons of the best teachers, regardless of the geographic area in which they are domiciled. The need for rapid large-scale experimentation will also accelerate the biotechnology revolution… Finally, the need for a digital infrastructure worthy of the name has long been felt in our country… If we want to build a founded economy and education system on dematerialization, we need a fully connected population and extremely efficient infrastructure. To this end, the State must make considerable investments - perhaps thanks to a recovery plan - in order to transform national digital infrastructures by leveraging dematerialized platforms (cloud) and to associate them with the 5G network. ”

This is the vision that Eric Schmidt never stopped preaching. Fifteen days after the publication of this column, he described, during a videoconference organized by the Club of New York economists, as a “collective distance learning experience” the makeshift program that teachers and families across the country were forced to tinker during the health crisis. The purpose of this experiment, he said, was to “understand how children learn at a distance. This information should enable us to design better pedagogical distance learning tools which, combined with the work of teachers, will help children learn better. ”

During this same videoconference, Eric Schmidt also called for the development of telemedicine, 5G, electronic commerce, and other items on the list he had previously concocted. All this in the name of the fight against the virus.

However, his most eloquent comment was as follows:

“These companies that we take pleasure in denigrating bring notable benefits in the fields of communication, public health and the dissemination of information. Imagine your life in the United States without Amazon. ”

He added that people had to “show a little more gratitude to those companies that had the necessary capital, that invested, that designed the tools that we use today, and that were precious help ”.


A speech that reminds us that, until very recently, distrust was still growing in opinion against these companies. The presidential candidates openly debated the idea of ​​dismantling the digital giants. Amazon was forced to abandon plans to locate its headquarters in New York due to strong local opposition. Google's Sidewalk Labs project was in a chronic crisis, and Google's own employees refused to endorse surveillance tools with military applications.

In other words, democracy - that is to say the unwelcome participation of the general public in the organization of large institutions and public space - proved to be the main obstacle to the vision that Eric Schmidt intended to put into practice. place, first from his chair as director of Google and Alphabet, then from that of chairman of two powerful commissions advising Congress and the Ministry of Defense.
Short the public service


As the NSCAI documents attest, this exercise of power by the general public and by employees of these large groups was - from the point of view of characters like Eric Schmidt or Jeff Bezos, the boss of Amazon - a brake infuriating in the race for artificial intelligence by preventing fleets of potentially dangerous autonomous cars and trucks from roaming the roads, preventing personal medical records from becoming weapons in the hands of employers, preventing space is invaded by facial recognition devices, and so on.

Today, in the midst of a carnage, and in the climate of fear and uncertainty that accompanies it, these companies see a clear opportunity to put an end to this democratic commitment in order to benefit from the same type of power as their Chinese competitors, who have the luxury of being able to act as they please without being hampered by untimely recourse to labor or citizen law.

And everything is going very fast. The Australian government has signed a contract with Amazon authorizing it to save data from its controversial virus-tracking application, and its Canadian counterpart has done the same for the delivery of short-circuiting medical equipment, one wonders why, the public postal service.

And, in just a few days, in early May, Alphabet launched a new initiative from Sidewalk Labs to rethink urban infrastructure, with start-up capital of $ 400 million [€ 365 million] . Josh Marcuse, Administrator of the Defense Innovation Council chaired by Eric Schmidt, has announced that he is leaving his job to work full time at Google as head of strategy and innovation for the public sector. global - in other words, it will help Google tap into some of the many opportunities that he and Eric Schmidt have worked to create through lobbying campaigns.

Let us be clear: technology will most certainly play a leading role in protecting public health in the months and years to come. The question is whether this technology will be subject to the control of democracy and citizens, or if it will be imposed in favor of the ambient health frenzy, without asking the substantive questions that will determine the form that our lives will take in the decades to come.

Questions like these, for example: since we realize that digital is essential in times of crisis, should these networks - and our data - remain in the hands of private players like Google, Amazon or Apple? If they are largely financed by public funds, shouldn't citizens also own and control them? If the Internet occupies such a large place in our lives, as it is evidently the case, should we not consider it as a non-profit public service?

And while there is no doubt that videoconferencing provides a vital link with the outside world during periods of confinement, the question of whether investing in people is not the most sustainable way of protecting ourselves deserves a real debate. . Take education. Eric Schmidt is right to say that overcrowded classes pose a health risk, at least until we find a vaccine. But in this case, why not double the number of teachers and reduce the size of the classes by half? Why not make sure that each school has a nurse?

This would create jobs in an economic context worthy of the Great Depression [the most serious economic crisis of the XNUMXth century], and it would give a little more space to staff and users of education. And if the buildings are too small, why not split the day into time slots and give more space to outdoor educational activities, based on the numerous studies which show that the time spent in nature improves the ability to children's learning?

Flashy gadgets at the expense of humans

It would obviously take time to implement such measures. But it is far from being as risky as wiping clean methods that have proven themselves: adult, qualified humans, who teach young humans that they are facing them, in places where they learn what's more to socialize.

When they learned of New York State's new partnership with the Gates Foundation, Andy Pallotta, president of the state teachers' union, replied from back to back:

“If we want to reinvent education, let's start by meeting the needs of social workers, psychologists, school nurses, by offering enriching artistic activities, advanced courses, and by reducing the size of classes throughout the world. academy."


A federation of parents' associations also wanted to make it known that, if the parents had indeed had a “distance learning experience” (to use Eric Schmidt's formula), the conclusions were alarming. : “Since the schools closed in mid-March, our concern about the obvious shortcomings of on-screen education has only grown.”

In addition to the obvious ethnic and social discrimination it engenders against children who do not have the Internet or a computer at home (problems that the digital giants dream of solving with massive purchases of funded equipment public money), serious questions arise as to the ability of distance education to meet the needs of students with disabilities, as required by law. And there is no technological solution to the problem of learning in an overcrowded and / or violent family environment.

The question is not whether establishments must evolve to adapt to this highly contagious virus for which there is no cure or vaccine. Like all other reception structures, they will change. The problem, as always in these times of collective trauma, is the lack of public debate about what form these changes should take and who should benefit from them. Private technology companies or students?

The same question arises for health. Avoiding doctors' offices and hospitals during a pandemic is common sense. But telemedicine suffers from serious shortcomings. A substantiated debate should be launched on the advantages and disadvantages of allocating precious public resources to telemedicine - and not to the recruitment of better trained nurses, equipped with all the necessary protective equipment, who can travel to the homes of patients to diagnose and treat them.
May 22 in San Francisco, United States. Circles have been drawn on the lawn of Dolores Park to impose physical distance. Photo Josh Edelson / AFP

Perhaps the most urgent need is to strike a balance between virus-tracking applications, which may have a role to play if combined with ad hoc privacy protections, and calls for the creation of a “local health unit”, which would employ millions of Americans tasked not only to go up the chain of contamination, but also to ensure that everyone has the material resources and help necessary to pass the quarantine in completely safe.

In all cases, we are faced with a concrete and difficult choice, between, on the one hand, investing in people and, on the other, investing in technology. Because the cruel truth is that, as things stand, it is unlikely that we will invest in both. Washington's refusal to transfer the necessary resources to states and cities means that the health crisis will quickly give way to a fabricated budgetary austerity. Public schools, universities, hospitals and transport network operators are asking existential questions about their future.

If the fierce lobbying campaign of the digital giants on distance education, telemedicine, 5G and autonomous vehicles (their “Digital New Deal”) is successful, there will simply be more money in the funds to deal with other emergencies, in particular the “New Green Deal”, which our planet urgently needs. On the contrary: the price to pay for all these flashy gadgets will be a wave of layoffs in education and hospital closings.

Technology provides us with powerful tools, but not all solutions are technological. And the major disadvantage of entrusting men like Bill Gates and Eric Schmidt with crucial decisions on how to “reinvent” our cities and our states is that they have spent their lives demonstrating that there was no problem other than technology cannot solve.

For them, and for many others in Silicon Valley, the pandemic is the perfect opportunity to receive not only gratitude, but also the consideration and power they feel they have been unjustly deprived of. By putting the former boss of Google at the head of the commission that will determine the terms of the deconfinement in New York State, Andrew Cuomo gave him something that strongly resembles a blank check.
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Re: After Coronavirus




by Christophe » 30/06/20, 15:09

The next (during?) Corona is, with a bit of bad luck, also a new episode of H1N1 swine flu!

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gadebois wrote:he described, during a videoconference organized by the New York Economists Club, as a “collective distance learning experience” the makeshift program that teachers and families across the country were forced to tinker with during the health crisis . The purpose of this experiment, he said, was to “understand how children learn at a distance. This information should enable us to design better pedagogical distance learning tools which, combined with the work of teachers, will help children learn better. ”

During this same videoconference, Eric Schmidt also called for the development of telemedicine, 5G, electronic commerce, and other items on the list he had previously concocted. All this in the name of the fight against the virus.
Quite agree, it goes in the right direction, since people do not want to lose the comfort gained by technological change.

The alterglobalists have no other goal than to prohibit any progress that could allow us to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.
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by GuyGadebois » 01/07/20, 12:32

izentrop wrote:The alterglobalists have no other goal than to prohibit any progress that could allow us to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

Thank you, Tryphon, for this essential reflection, of course as silly as it is the result of a frightening non-reflection, because all these "new" technologies have an enormous energy cost and produce more and more CO2 on a massive scale. I don't know if you read and understood the article, or what would happen to the world if it was unfortunately left in the hands of Google, Bill and Melinda Gates to speak of the most dangerous. You are not only irresponsible, but you don't understand at all the world in which you live. You should realize that the "thirty glorious" are behind us.
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Re: After Coronavirus




by ABC2019 » 01/07/20, 13:25

I had already noticed that all those who are very worried about RC agree with each other, but on nothing ...
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by ENERC » 01/07/20, 19:59

Posts on this forum are more and more radicalized and this gets even more amplified since the (first) de-containment.

We really have two camps that assert themselves:
- the camp of the old world: denials of RC, nothing should be changed, everything was better before, glyphosate is good for health, the planet green.
- the camp of the world according to: we change our way of living and consuming, we ask ourselves questions about what happens next, etc.

We must continue this radicalization at all levels: on this forum and elsewhere. With very antagonistic positions, it's easier to choose sides.

Over time, the camp of the next world will realize that it can tip everything over to the next world.
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