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Global collective stress: psychology and nuclear risk




by Christophe » 16/03/11, 12:27

An interview to read about stress towards a nuclear disaster.

Faced with the disaster in Japan, "a global collective stress"

LEMONDE.FR | 16.03.11 | 12h09

After the earthquake and tsunami, Japan and the world are living in fear of a major nuclear disaster. Dr. Christian Navarre, a psychiatrist at the hospital of Rouvray in Sotteville-lès-Rouen, and author of Psy disaster ten years with victims (Editions Imago), returns to the emotion aroused by these extraordinary events.

What is your view of the reaction of the Japanese people after the disaster?

Christian Navarre: The shock of the earthquake and tsunami were relatively well absorbed. They had been prepared for a long time, and relied on reflexes of self-protection and a very strong solidarity. There are traumatic mournings, of course, but these were known things.

But there is a peculiarity in Japan on the health education of children, who perform for example many exercises, especially in earthquake simulators. They learn throughout their lives to manage this stress. This generates a very strong effect of social cohesion in the event of a disaster. There is also a peculiarity of Japanese culture that comes into play, with some acceptance of events.

There is a feeling that the nuclear threat is causing more anxiety today. How to explain it?

The threat of nuclear catastrophe is more difficult to manage. Because it evokes of course the reminiscence of painful episodes in the history of the country, but also because it represents the specter of an invisible enemy, which is not controllable, controllable by the man. For the moment, there is no collective panic, but there is an increase in stress, with a kind of vertigo. Spirituality and training are perhaps not enough any more because there is a loss of bearings, an anguish of death which has no immediate answer. That being said, today, these people still "hold on" collectively, while a catastrophe is looming. It is quite impressive.

Anxiety seems almost stronger abroad ...

In the West, there is often a denial of risk. When an accident occurs, this denial is shaken up. In addition, what is happening today refers to a kind of "destiny" linking Japan and nuclear power: it awakens the collective unconscious of the planet.

There is also the "immediacy" factor: being informed in real time which also greatly increases affect. Anxious waiting is the worst emotional thing, the most damaging. What happens today impacts us much more than, for example, what happened in Kobe back then. This real-time monitoring provokes a contagion of fear in oil stains which acts at the level of the planet.

Does this fear of the nuclear threat resonate in a particular way in France?

In France, there is a non-culture of risk, a discourse of zero risk where we are told "we have taken all precautions". The nuclear problem has been known for a long time but we are caught in a paradox because we do not want to affect our way of operating. Today, this fantasy of a world without risk is confronted with the principle of reality. There is a hyper-emotion that takes place: we share the concern around Japan, but in addition we question our own system, even though there was no accident here. It is also a way of dealing with stress.

To what extent can this emotion have a long-term impact, generate a change of direction at the collective level, especially in highly nuclearized countries?

It will depend on how events unfold. So far, relatively few people are affected by the nuclear accident. It cannot be ruled out that if the Japanese authorities succeed in regulating the situation, the "Chernobyl phenomenon" will not happen again: at the time, the scale of the disaster had changed things in terms of security and communication.

At the global level, there is a collective stress on something that, somewhere, has not happened yet. The long-term effects, which will happen in the coming months, the next years, will define what we will decide at the collective, political level. It is never in times of crisis that these changes take place. There will be progress on security, that's for sure, but from there to change everything ... It will certainly depend on the final damage.
Interview by Marion Solletty


Source: http://www.lemonde.fr/japon/article/201 ... 92975.html
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by Obamot » 16/03/11, 14:00

The answer to this question eludes most of those who would like to answer (80% of the population?) And it is explained very well ... People have other cats to whip ...
The drama is when it happens ...

If we take the example of the surroundings of the power plant (those who were told to caulk at home ...)

In short, this question is reminiscent of the pseudo "game of the truth" or the one who answered wrong was given an electric shock more and more strong each time he was wrong ... Until dead follow (luckily it was a fake ... while with nuclear ...)

It also reminds of the capacity of human beings to live under dictatorships in the long term, before rebelling ... (~ 40 years in Egypt with the blessing of the West ...)

Nuclear power too, has the blessing of governments ...

It's crazy what we are ...
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by Leo Maximus » 16/03/11, 14:11

Haroun Tazzief said that in an industrial project it was necessary to start from the disaster scenario. For example, in a chemical fertilizer plant one would have to imagine that the entire stock of potassium nitrate could jump. It suffices that certain conditions are met. We screwed him up and he made a lot of enemies. Since we had AZF.

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by Obamot » 16/03/11, 14:18

He was right although he was trying to make "accountability" ... That's more what we're trying to put forward today (at least not at the highest level of government in my corner), the proof with AZF, this type of paradigm has failed!

... whereas in this case it's simple: the only stage that remains upstream is "the responsibility" : Mrgreen:

(Permit me not to comment on Japan, since Tepco falsifies reports ... Nor will I do it for Europe or pride is a more formidable opponent ...)
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by Christophe » 16/03/11, 14:58

Leo Maximus wrote:Haroun Tazzief said that in an industrial project it was necessary to start from the disaster scenario. For example, in a chemical fertilizer plant one would have to imagine that the entire stock of potassium nitrate could jump. It suffices that certain conditions are met. We screwed him up and he made a lot of enemies. Since we had AZF.

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Moue ... but if we apply this (taking into account the max risk), the surcouts would be quite huge and in the end nobody could do much ...

For example: we would not manufacture a car because there is a risk (strong compared to other industrial risks) of dying in ...

Then, black humor, I believe that Haroun did not apply this adage of maximum risk taking for ... his own death ... :|

After yes of course that we must limit the risks to the maximum ... generally industrial disasters are a succession of neglect ... except natural disasters ...
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by Lietseu » 16/03/11, 15:01

Hello
let's not lose sight of the fact that we are also, in a way, at a historical turning point in that, unconsciously, people have recorded all the "prophecies" that have been made since the early 1900s! and long before, too moreover, the bible, the Koran in full ...

The fact that it is not "scientific" has no importance whatsoever, must I remind you that all statesmen and CEOs of large companies and in this including the pundits of the sacrosanct world stock exchange , consults clairvoyants, they even invented clairvoyants who-make-in-the-purse!

In short, all of this is now part of the human unconscious in the broadest sense!

People fail to know, the world is changing and this disaster is here to remind!

Do not tell me, that you never think, "this blow is the good one" or "we will not see the end of this event" ...

The pressure of the media, the net, and the repeated lies of the people who lead the people, are also responsible for this state of affairs ... we will, I am convinced for a long time, towards an end of the apocalyptic world (in the real meaning, from the word apocalypse, from the ancient Greek apokalupsis meaning laying bare, removing the veil or revelation) or revelation is also: recognize your weaknesses and your lack of faith in the future, you are not a mass of d individuals (in the real sense) but a unique consciousness that interacts in the most tremendous unconsciousness-at least for the moment-since the veil is not yet lifted.

The culmination of all this will lead the human world, towards a global awareness, which has already begun, in North Africa, and will spread it like the info on the dirty bomb currently, ie. very quickly...

I wait for the continuation with patience and determination, as my pseudo guete the mouse ....


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Re: Global collective stress: psychology and nuclear risk




by Obamot » 16/03/11, 16:04

With Lietseu, we understand that "Stress and psychology in the face of a nuclear disaster", is reflected somewhere to reflections around the "Existential fear"!

And finally it's not so wrong, because in the case of nuclear, these are disasters that are not manageable by the community - they escape the rational - which only increases this fear.
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by Christophe » 16/03/11, 16:07

For those who have not read my news of yesterday (and you are a number) I said:

https://www.econologie.com/catastrophe-n ... -4340.html

But the civilian nuclear worries, it scares, it terrifies ... This may be unknowingly because of its military version and the nuclear apocalypse we all had in mind one day ... or may be consciously because that it is a pollution completely in sensory (at least up to a certain level ...)?
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by Obamot » 16/03/11, 16:17

We are in a society where the younger generations aspire to "Get out of fear" (ie the revolutions of the Arab world).

In this sense, it's reassuring.

On the other hand, it is not enough for people to take to the streets, because the "nuclear spectrum" is incorporeal ... It does not have a face.

Moreover the cause is not the nuclear but the model of globalization of the economy which leads to the hasty conclusion "We would need nuclear power because we could not do otherwise, economically speaking", a type of reasoning that focuses solely on "short-sighted profitability" and that leads us not to differentiate between sectors that should be:
- health, nutrition and necessarily chemistry ....
- mining resources, headed by energy resources and their counterpart => transport ...
- the fight against the sources of pollution with their counterpart => the poisoning of populations and global warming.
etc ... (if you have others ^^)
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by Grelinette » 16/03/11, 16:36

Since the beginning of this nuclear disaster most of the radio and television interventions of nuclear policy and specialists have been concluded by:
"... in France, the safety of our plants is optimal ... but of course there is no zero risk".

When we say "No risk does not exist" that means : "the probability of a nuclear disaster happening is small, but it will come sooner or later".
All our industries are based on this statistical rule.

For example, the probability of an airliner crashing is calculated and known accurately. We know that all x flights, there will be a fatal breakdown followed by a crash.

For nuclear energy, what we do not know how to calculate is the level of mortality of the consequences, the number of direct and indirect victims on the planet: 1000, 100000, 1000000 ... of deaths, and on the 10, 20 , 50 years to come.
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